$10 NLHE MTT: Fold JJ on flop?

[unkown]

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 28/20/5

What u think about this hand? how would u play it?


CO: t2580 51.60 BBs
BTN: t2028 40.56 BBs
SB: t1095 21.90 BBs
Hero (BB): t5733 114.66 BBs
UTG: t3270 65.40 BBs
UTG+1: t2770 55.40 BBs
UTG+2: t4575 91.50 BBs
MP1: t5145 102.90 BBs
MP2: t2574 51.48 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with J

J

UTG raises to t200, 2 folds, MP1 raises to t350, 4 folds, Hero calls t300, UTG calls t150

Flop: (t1075) Q

4

5

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets t200, Hero raises to t655, UTG folds, MP1 raises to t1110, Hero folds

 

[Jillychemung]

I'm 3-betting here to 1000 or folding based on reads for UTG & MP1. I think a 3-bet preflop with our position in the long run will cost us less and make post flop play easier. Definitely don't want to play 3-way.

 

[BlueNowhere]

I'd 3-bet pre

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

squeeze it pre.

and why raise a Q high board with JJ?

you get smaller pairs to fold and Qx bigger pairs prob stack off.

 

[baudib1]

It was already 3-bet pre.

 

[duggs]

4bet pre

 

[duggs]

or fold based on UTG stats

 

[Worak]

Reads on villain #2 ?

Being OOP in a 3bet , 3way pot deepstacked early in the tourney I can find a fold here depending on MP1s 3betting range (<5%).. anyone else ?

 

[baudib1]

flatting 3-bets OOP with UTG left to act is kinda sucky. nitty but folding is OK.

 

[duggs]

Reads on villain #2 ?

Being OOP in a 3bet , 3way pot deepstacked early in the tourney I can find a fold here depending on MP1s 3betting range (<5%).. anyone else ?

think its more based on UTG stats given the MP stats, if UTG is at all nitty then MP will only have a tight value range (1010+ AQ+) and we can find a fold pre

as played fold flop or call flop and fold to a 2nd barrel, do not raise
we literally only beat 1010, maybe 99 and AK (and even then AKcc is doing ok vs us) and unless you know he cbets too much he is prob checking those 3way in a 3bet pot.

raising flop is pretty bad because he folds out literally every hand we beat bar AKcc and gets it in with everything else that crushes us (QQ+ AQ AKcc)

 

[unkown]

I was actually set mining i kinda knew I was dominated, on flop the bet from MP1 200 into 1000+ pot seemed very weak to me so I raised but I forgot that utg was to act after me. Next time fold pre yeah?

 

[duggs]

UTG never has anything good when he doesnt 4bet

 

[Sori]

Is it crazy to shove here pre? I guess you are only getting called by somebody who either has you dominated or you are flipping at best. I see people shove here a lot though because you are getting a scare card on so many flops which makes it really difficult to play. I think I want to raise or fold though.

 

[WiZZiM]

I'd hate myself for it, but i'm probably folding here pre. It's a really ugly situation and one where 4betting commits us to calling a shove and calling isn't really much of an option.