$10 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: $$10 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: KK sb face 3 bet.

[KLDUFF1987]

Hi all, was I right in just calling here Kyz hasn't really done any raising in the last 10 - 15 mins and been folding a lot, so kinda put him on AK AQ type of hand

full tilt poker Game #36017772303: Super Stack $3K Guarantee (303422404), Table 13 - NL Hold'em - 80/160 Ante 20 - 17:52:25 UTC - 2015/10/30 [13:52:25 ET - 2015/10/30]
Seat 1: kyzyldurrrr (7,913)
Seat 2: plyt1 (5,391)
Seat 3: Hammerf3st (2,143)
Seat 4: fects007 (10,202)
Seat 5: Rondyr (1,708)
Seat 6: KDuff1987 (17,299)
Seat 7: BligSlick78 (5,123)
Seat 8: IceWindX (4,624)
Seat 9: the stone67 (10,729)
kyzyldurrrr antes 20
plyt1 antes 20
Hammerf3st antes 20
fects007 antes 20
Rondyr antes 20
KDuff1987 antes 20
BligSlick78 antes 20
IceWindX antes 20
the stone67 antes 20
KDuff1987 posts the small blind of 80
BligSlick78 posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KDuff1987 [Kc Ks]
IceWindX folds
the stone67 folds
kyzyldurrrr has 15 seconds left to act
kyzyldurrrr raises to 400
plyt1 folds
Hammerf3st folds
fects007 folds
Rondyr has 15 seconds left to act
Rondyr raises to 1,688, and is all in
KDuff1987 has 15 seconds left to act
KDuff1987 calls 1,608
BligSlick78 has 15 seconds left to act
BligSlick78 folds
kyzyldurrrr has 15 seconds left to act
kyzyldurrrr calls 1,288
*** FLOP *** [2h 7c 5h] (Total Pot: 5,404, 3 Players, 1 All-In)
KDuff1987 has 15 seconds left to act
KDuff1987 bets 3,233
kyzyldurrrr folds
KDuff1987 shows [Kc Ks]
Rondyr shows [Jh Qd]
Uncalled bet of 3,233 returned to KDuff1987
*** TURN *** [2h 7c 5h] <font color='red'>9♥</font> (Total Pot: 5,404, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
*** RIVER *** [2h 7c 5h 9h] <font color='red'>5<font face="arial">♦</font></font> (Total Pot: 5,404, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
KDuff1987 shows two pair, Kings and Fives
Rondyr shows a pair of Fives
KDuff1987 wins the pot (5,404) with two pair, Kings and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,404 | Rake 0
Board: [2h 7c 5h 9h 5d]
Seat 1: kyzyldurrrr folded on the Flop
Seat 2: plyt1 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Hammerf3st folded before the Flop
Seat 4: fects007 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Rondyr (button) showed [Jh Qd] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 6: KDuff1987 (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and won (5,404) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 7: BligSlick78 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: IceWindX folded before the Flop
Seat 9: the stone67 folded before the Flop

 

[jordanbillie]

Just flatting to induce Kyz to call isn't a bad idea. However, if you have a read that his range contains only premium hands, you should 4 bet preflop and extract more. I probably 4 bet the majority of the time to accomplish one of two things: isolate the short stack or extract more from Kyz.

 

[Bob23bk]

you should 4 bet preflop and extract more

+1, you should 4B here PF. As played, I think you should have check/raised on the flop, though if he called he probably would have scared you off on the turn when the 3rd heart hits :dontknow:

 

[ph_il]

If Kyz hasn't been raising for the past 15 min and you're putting him on a hand like AK, AQ, then that's even more reason for you to 4bet preflop with a hand like KK. We want to extract as many chips as we can with a hand like KK, and if we put Kyz on a hand as strong as AK, it's very likely they're coming along as well.

A 4bet would look like a squeeze play which would probably brought Kyz along or even gotten him to come over the top of you if he did think you were just trying to isolate.

In fact, I think the 3bet cold call might've given off some warning bells on the strength of your hand. And then when you donk bet on the dry flop just confirmed the strength of your hand.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

Wiven your read, 4bet jamming preflop is ideal. Without that read I would flat to induce the call or shove from the opening raiser.

As played, the reason you didn't 4bet pre was to extract more from your monster, right? So why do you lead so big into a fairly dry flop if you think AK/AQ makes up a big portion of his range?

Here, I think the optimal play will depend on his Cbetting frequencies. If he has a high Cbet % (something like 70+%) then I would go for the check raise jam. If he has a lower Cbet% then I would lead out kinda smallish positioning myself to get it in on the turn and extract value from some hands like 88-QQ. Heck,some players will even call a small enough bet with AK. So I'd lead out for something like 2,000 on the flop if he has a low Cbet%.