$10 MTT - What to do with pocket A's

FatLane

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***** Game number #6582280559 *****
$10 + $1 Tournament (49956967), Table 15 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:34:55 ET - 2008/05/27
BTN antes 25
SB antes 25
BB antes 25
UTG antes 25
UTG+1 antes 25
MP1 antes 25
MP2 antes 25
Hero antes 25
CO antes 25
SB posts small blind [120]
BB posts big blind [240]
Seat 1 (BTN) has the button.
Seat 1 : BTN with 3770 chips.
Seat 2 : SB with 6020 chips.
Seat 3 : BB with 4590 chips.
Seat 4 : UTG with 7940 chips.
Seat 5 : UTG+1 with 5920 chips.
Seat 6 : MP1 with 10705 chips.
Seat 7 : MP2 with 6465 chips.
Seat 8 : Hero with 7160 chips.
Seat 9 : CO with 7280 chips.
hand.pl

** Dealing hole cards **
Dealt to Hero :
:as4::ad4:
Sklansky group: 1
UTG folds
UTG+1 calls [240]
MP1 folds
MP2 folds
Hero raises to 900
CO has 15 seconds left to act
CO folds
BTN folds
SB folds
BB folds
UTG+1 has 15 seconds left to act
UTG+1 calls [660]
** Dealing Flop ** [Potsize: 2160]
:4s4: :2h4: :7h4:
UTG+1 has 15 seconds left to act
UTG+1 bets [2,385]
Hero has 15 seconds left to act

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What would you do? I still have about 6,200 chips.
 
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iMaGiN.

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Push him all in. No thinkin twice I don't think. If he called you with a pocket pair and flopped a set, well its just a mini-cooler. I just don't see someone gettin outta this position. He probably called you....A7 or possibly 8 7 suited, if he's very loose.
 
AZE

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wtf are you scared of here? Is this a real question?
 
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CfPoker

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Have to assume you lost this hand to be posting this question, but even so...

all of your chips --> middle of table
 
rob5775

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Standard stop and go by villain. He might have medium pocket pair, flush draw or nothing. By betting the pot on the flop (overbetting really) he's trying to get you to fold overpairs that you could have raised with (AK/AQ/AJ/KQ etc) while he is trying to represent a hand, either a pocket pair or a set.

In this situation I'm fairly certain you are ahead of villain and would be more concerned on how to get the rest of his chips. If stacks were deeper I would say float the flop to try to extract more money out of him. But the stacks are not deep and he essentially pot committed himself with that bet. Shove and expect a call by 88 or a flush draw. If he has 77, them's the breaks. (and I would be shocked by 22 or 44)
 
ChuckTs

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You will be up against a set a decent chunk of the time here, but even moreso you'll see smaller unimproved pocket pairs, flush draws, and maybe even A7 type hands. Ship it in.
 
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switch0723

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I think we are very very very rarely up against a set here Chuck since why would they lead out for such a large amount after flopping a set??? I think middle pair is most likely. We are willingly pushing all in here whatever anyway
 
The Shrog

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I'm shoving here 100% of the time.
 
FatLane

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Have to assume you lost this hand to be posting this question, but even so...

True. I suppose most of the hands posted here, no matter how great they look, end in disaster.

Anyhow... I think i've heard everything I needed to hear on this hand.

I just wanted to make sure I played it right. I haven't been playing for too long and a buddy who has been playing much longer than me said that he wouldn't have risked his tournament life in this spot. I think i'm starting to understand why he can never finish better than "barely in the money".

I'm okay with the outcome of this hand. As long as I played the hand properly, I'll brush it off as just one of those poker things. .

The entire hand:

***** Game number #6582280559 *****
$10 + $1 Tournament (49956967), Table 15 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:34:55 ET - 2008/05/27
BTN antes 25
SB antes 25
BB antes 25
UTG antes 25
UTG+1 antes 25
MP1 antes 25
MP2 antes 25
Hero antes 25
CO antes 25
SB posts small blind [120]
BB posts big blind [240]
Seat 1 (BTN) has the button.
Seat 1 : BTN with 3770 chips.
Seat 2 : SB with 6020 chips.
Seat 3 : BB with 4590 chips.
Seat 4 : UTG with 7940 chips.
Seat 5 : UTG+1 with 5920 chips.
Seat 6 : MP1 with 10705 chips.
Seat 7 : MP2 with 6465 chips.
Seat 8 : Hero with 7160 chips.
Seat 9 : CO with 7280 chips.
hand.pl

** Dealing hole cards **
Dealt to Hero :
:as4: :ad4:
Sklansky group: 1
UTG folds
UTG+1 calls [240]
MP1 folds
MP2 folds
Hero raises to 900
CO has 15 seconds left to act
CO folds
BTN folds
SB folds
BB folds
UTG+1 has 15 seconds left to act
UTG+1 calls [660]
** Dealing Flop ** [Potsize: 2160]
:4s4: :2h4: :7h4:
UTG+1 has 15 seconds left to act
UTG+1 bets [2,385]
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to 6,235, and is all in
UTG+1 calls [2,610] [ all-in ]
Hero shows :
:as4: :ad4:
UTG+1 shows :
:4h4: :ah4:
Uncalled bet of 1,240 returned to Hero
** Dealing Turn ** [Potsize: 11007]
:9c4:
** Dealing River ** [Potsize: 11007]
:th:
Hero shows a pair of Aces
UTG+1 shows a flush, Ace high
UTG+1 wins the pot (12,375) with a flush, Ace high
The blinds are now 150/300 with an ante of 25

This player had check raised me earlier so I knew he didn't have a set. He was trying to get me off my hand. It seemed obvious to me that he had a draw or top pair. I guessed he had :ah4::3h4:, or A7o.
 
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JoshFourstar

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All in

On that flop you would think your still ahead, maybe set but AA is looking good, I would move all in.
 
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happyglen

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I just think these are the set up hands where neither of you are going to fold after the flop. him having the flush draw plus the 4's as an out. And you with the rockets and the board being open.
 
wislim

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shove on flop if he hit his set gg fire up a new game and if on a draw make him pay
 
Joe Slick

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I guess it's up to me to take the contrarian view.

First, it's apparent that you've already invested quite a bit of time in this tournament. Your stack is pretty decent relative to the blinds. You've got the top pocket pair but since it doesn't improve after the flop, your AA has lost value. UTG+1's bet indicates that your AA may have lost a lot of value.

UTG+1 has a chip stack that would cripple you at these levels if he's actually got something.

My ego would tell me to push but I stopped following my ego because my ego ends up costing me a lot of money.

I could fold AA in this position and look for a better spot to invest my chips later. If UTG+1 becomes a madman (mad person?) there are plenty of other players at the table who can put him out of your misery.

The best part is that I can fold AA and nobody would know but me.
 
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sliver101

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all in no question on tht flop sure theres a flush possibility but what the hay
 
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