$1 NLHE Deep Stacked: Basic Tourny Issues; Questioning Some Shoves; Tough Big Pair Hands from OOP

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$1 NL HE Deep Stacked: Basic Tourny Issues; Questioning Some Shoves; Tough Big Pair Hands from OOP

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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Hero (SB) (t2720)
BB (t6785)
UTG (t7430)
UTG+1 (t1165)
MP1 (t2860)
MP2 (t3100)
CO (t6175)
Button (t2820)

Hero's M: 45.33

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, J

3 folds, MP2 bets t140, 2 folds, Hero calls t120?

Would folding AJs from the SB be too tight? I'm really just looking to flop diamonds right?
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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Hero (UTG+1) (t5405)
MP1 (t5555)
MP2 (t7410)
MP3 (t690)
CO (t2745)
Button (t13210)
SB (t5550)
BB (t2745)
UTG (t10450)

Hero's M: 72.07

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q

, Q

1 fold, Hero calls t50, 1 fold, MP2 calls t50, 3 folds, SB calls t25, BB checks

Flop: (t200) 4

, 9

, 5

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t200, 1 fold, SB calls t200, 1 fold

Turn: (t600) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t600) 10

(2 players)
SB bets t1250, Hero calls t1250

Total pot: t3100

Results:
SB had 3

, 7

(straight, seven high).
Hero had Q

, Q

(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: SB won t3100

So by limping, I try to play a small pot, the whole purpose of which is to get away from crappy situations on the river like this one. I commend the SB for his value bet, but I really should be throwing this away on the river. The whole plan is to get away cheap when things turn sour. I charge the drawing board, the turn is soaking wet, and the river call is disgusting.

The effective stacks are so high that I have no idea how to play this. If I raise 3xBB I become extremely easy to bluff off on the flop. And when I flop an overpair after a 3xBB raise, I can't expect to profitably stack off with it, since we're so deep. What about a raise to 250 or 200? That's a bit big. I'd be too afraid of the hands I get looked up with, since on flops without an A or K I'd basically just win the preflop action and on flops with an A or a K I'd be put to horrid decisions. I feel like any kind of raise leaves me with an awkwardly sized stack from OOP, making it way too easy to bluff me out.

That said, I like limping QQ here, trying to flop a set with it, keeping the pot small when I flop an overpair, and folding when an A or K fall.

What do I do if I limp, and someone in LP raises?
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 250/500 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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UTG+1 (t10575)
MP1 (t7285)
MP2 (t6780)
Hero (MP3) (t16535)
CO (t3444)
Button (t6415)
SB (t7474)
BB (t10625)
UTG (t14987)

Hero's M: 13.78

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, A

3 folds, MP2 bets t6730 (All-In), Hero ?
Standard shove?
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CO (t18011)
Button (t7110)
SB (t40789)
Hero (BB) (t22990)
UTG (t35267)
UTG+1 (t4440)
MP1 (t8873)
MP2 (t10850)
MP3 (t14056)

Hero's M: 14.60

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

5 folds, CO calls t600, 2 folds, Hero bets t1800, CO calls t1200

Flop: (t4575) 4

, 5

, 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t4575, Hero raises to t21115 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: t13725

Results:
Hero didn't show J

, J

(nothing).
Outcome: Hero won t13725

fwiw, Villain's VP$IP was fairly high. He could be limping with the most random crap.

-Is checkraising flop okay? Giving a free card is probably not a good idea on such a straighty board.
-If we do decide to check, is CRAI ok? He has like 12k in his stack after his bet. Think 66+ calls?
-If I lead 4k on the flop and get raised, it would probably be a move AI for the additional 12k. In that case I would be getting worse than 2:1, but against a range of TT-22,76s,62s,76o,62o I have 40% equity. Against a range of 22+,76s,62s,76o,62o, I would only have 33% equity.
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BB (t59954)
UTG (t19140)
UTG+1 (t50987)
Hero (MP1) (t31315)
MP2 (t31432)
MP3 (t64919)
CO (t27812)
Button (t5500)
SB (t5870)

Hero's M: 14.91

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

, Q

2 folds, Hero bets t3200, 5 folds, BB raises to t59854 (All-In), Hero ?

Is a call okay?
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 1200/2400 Blinds 300 Ante (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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BB (t51899)
UTG (t42567)
UTG+1 (t160829)
MP1 (t18817)
MP2 (t168048)
MP3 (t138054)
CO (t66981)
Button (t73066)
Hero (SB) (t30005)

Hero's M: 4.76

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, Q

5 folds, CO calls t2400, Button bets t72766 (All-In), Hero ?

Call okay?

 

[robwhufc]

1st one - yep see a flop.

2nd one, calling from UTG isn't going to create a small pot, it's going to create a big one. You don't need to hit a set with QQ, you've got the 3rd best hand, and usually the best one post flop. Raise pre=flop. much easier to play post flop if you do.

3rd one's not a standard shove at all - the best you are hoping for is Ax, and online he'll hit his x. Put the pressure on at this stage by raising continously and call short stack all ins, but don't take coin tosses for a big chunk of your stack.

4th one's over analysed - he's hardly likely to have A5, if he's got QQ, KK and AA then he's bloody lucky - autopush here, let him make a decision for his tourney life - VP$IP and equity calculations are not relevant.

5th one, i'd rather be pushing than calling, but this is one of those tourney deciding moments. Blinds are still quite low (i dont think your M is that low). You should know by now who is the most active player, and whether you've folded before to a re-raise. If observations are right, you can call here ok.

Last one - again, you should be the one raising at this stage of the tourney, not calling. Fold here, and push whenever you can get into an unraised pot, regardless of your actual cards

 

[WarEagle1266]

1) Absolutely call. You're more looking to make a jack high flop than a flush.

2) Like the guy above said, raise preflop. Post flop, you have a straight and flush draw on the board. You were probably putting him on just a flush draw or just a straight draw, in which you're pot-sized bet would be good because he would, on a flush draw, be calling 50% for a 35% chance. However, he had a 51% chance of catching at least a straight, so a bet of 300 would make him call 60% on a 51% chance, making him pay for his draw. On the turn, it would be a good idea to make a bet of about half the pot, and that should give you all the information you need. If he calls, or raises, you're most likely beat and you will have to either fold or try to check it down.

3) Remember that AK is a drawing hand and AK offsuit isn't as powerful as everyone thinks. This really depends on your opponent. If he has been loose aggressive, you may want to call, but you wouldn't be a favorite to any pocket pair and if he has anything else, you're still not that much of a favorite. Against a tight conservative player, that folds 90% of his hands, you should fold. Also, remember that you have nothing in the pot at this point, so folding doesn't cost you anything.

4) It's unlikely he has you beat on the flop; plus you have him covered. If he does have pocket 6's, you'll be about a 3:2 favorite.

5) Still depends on how aggressive your opponent has been, and how he sees you. He's most likely trying to push you off with a marginal hand.

6) Again, AQ, like AK, is a drawing hand, and with it being unsuited, you will be the underdog to even pocket deuces. Better to fold and to pick a better situation.

 

[grvicious]

all i really want to talk about is your thought processes on the QQ hand. you stated that you wanted to get away when things got sour yet in poker you only get good hands on occasion and your goal should be to maximize value not get away from it. not raising is definately a major leak