$1.10 NLHE MTT Turbo Rebuy: Playing KK: Loose opponent re-raise shoves flop with ace on board

[Matt Vaughan]

$1.10 NLHE MTT Turbo Rebuy: Playing KK: Loose opponent re-raise shoves flop with ace on board

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 40/22/2.75

Villain stats are over 85 hands.

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T150/T300
Buy-in: $1 Dollar Dazzler - $600 Guaranteed
Merge Network
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T14,400)
MP - Hero (T34,023)
CO - CO (T11,359)
BTN - BTN (T15,192)
SB - SB (T11,354)
BB - BB (T14,672)

Preflop: (T630, 6 players) Hero is MP with
1 fold, Hero raises to T750, CO calls T750, 3 folds

Flop: (T2,130, 2 players - Hero: T33,243, CO: T10,579)
Hero bets T1,065, CO bets T10,579 (all-in), Hero??

Spoiler

1 fold

Total Pot: T13,774

CO wins T13,774

Even though he's clearly very loose, I kind of thought that A-x comprised a decent part of his preflop calling range (40%). When he shoved the flop, I figured he either had the ace, hit a set, or some weird 2-pair type hand.

 

[duggs]

i prob check/call flop agianst this villain,
As played folding is fine

 

[Matt Vaughan]

i prob check/call flop agianst this villain,
As played folding is fine

Okay. The main problem I have with the check/call line is that we're still going to be OOP, with an ace on the board, and a hand that will most likely be decreasing in value as we go along. So would you still be looking to check/call if blanks hit the board on the turn and river?

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

yeah i hate check calling, because you're hoping for him to freeze on the turn so you can go for thin value on the river or check check.

its just one of those spots where whatever you do, its wrong..

bet/fold for me.

 

[duggs]

Our hand value wont decrease, there are literally no scare cards and only 2 Ks to help us

 

[duggs]

and even aggs are unlikely to bet 2 streets with air given buy in, either way im calling one street, getting to show down or folding. Bet/folding folds out pretty much everything we beat/have good equity against and gets called/raised by Ax and sets.

 

[duggs]

i mean if we fold to a 2nd barrel its really no different to betting flop and folding turn, Given the buy in and stats of op i can see him having more air in his range he will stab/give up with than smaller pairs that will call down postflop.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

so what do you do, call him down for 3 streets on an A high board and hope to see KJ?

the A's already a scare card.

he's only doing this with an A and at worst you lose a cbet which was half pot (if he shoves), instead of losing more over more streets by stationing in a bad spot.

yeah you don't get value from his smaller pairs or whatever but taking that line normally reps to me that you have an underpair.

sets don't do that, Ax doesn't do that, so your hands turned face up imo.

and our raising range has more A's in it than his calling range does..

 

[duggs]

def not stationing 3 streets. but given this is a 1 dollar mtt i dont think we have to be too worried about turning our hand face up. we can balance it with AK if you wanted tho.
i prob check/call flop and fold to a turn barrel,
non Ax hands arent going to try barrel us off because they cant hand read
so when he fires on the turn i can quite happily fold.
now if he checks behind on flop, we can either pot control or barrel depending on turn card.

 

[duggs]

Okay. The main problem I have with the check/call line is that we're still going to be OOP, with an ace on the board, and a hand that will most likely be decreasing in value as we go along. So would you still be looking to check/call if blanks hit the board on the turn and river?

no i would be folding to a 2nd bet from villain

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I see both sides here, and given that our opponent most likely isn't reading much (like you said duggs), I suppose I can be okay check/calling only one street. But if we check-check the turn, how often is the villain just checking the river behind us??

 

[WiZZiM]

i think i'd prefer bet folding, as we can control the size of the pot then, since we are OOP. C/c can be ok, especially in position in spots like this, but i don't like it as much OOP.

 

[duggs]

you can thin bet river depending on runout of cards. an 8, 9, J, Q, are all good cards to be because they connect with his flatting range so i would prob bet these on river if it goes check/check on turn.

really villain dependent.

equally if you think he will just mindlessly bluff river you can call.

 

[cardriverx]

bet/fold flop

 

[duggs]

also after 85 hands he should have gone to showdown a few times, and bad aggs tend to size their bluffs and value bets differently, so you can just soul read based on that to narrow their range and either check/fold or check/call flop.

 

[duggs]

against an unknown im bet/folding btw

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

still seems a bit weak, do people not adjust at all?

but hey, your the tourney guy so I'll assume its right.

 

[baudib1]

standard is c/c 1 street for 2/3 PSB or less and give up if he barrels.