$1.10 NLHE MTT: Open Ended Straight In The Money

[Creepy Jackalope]

There was about a dozen of us left in the tourney. This is the hand that crippled me, ultimately I would go out in 11th place.

Should I have raised larger pre and folded to a shove?

Would you have folded to his flop raise?

Is squeaking on to the final table what you like to try and do in this spot or are we playing for chip accumulation now that we're in the money?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 500/1,000 Blinds 125 Ante (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button (t9,044)
Hero (SB) (t27,040)
BB (t17,565)
UTG (t18,448)
MP (t30,451)

Hero's M: 12.72

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, 9

3 folds, Hero raises to t2,000, BB calls t1,000

Flop: (t4,625) 2

, Q

, 10

(2 players)
Hero bets t2,500, BB raises to t6,999, Hero raises to t24,915 (All-In), BB calls t8,441 (All-In)

Turn: (t35,505) 6

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t35,505) 2

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t35,505

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had J

, 9

(one pair, twos).
BB had Q

, K

(two pair, Queens and twos).
Outcome: BB won t35,505

 

[Loonbat]

I don't mind either your line or bet-sizing here.

 

[jaworek1405]

Pre flop - can be good. The flop - I prefer check, because blinds are high and to control the pot. Besides we are OOP. With OESD I want to see cheaply the next card.
As played - If he raise me on the flop, I only call, because we have about 36% to win this hand. All in with OESD it is a too risky. Better see cheaply the turn and fold if the turn is a bad card,

 

[ravpl]

Pre flop - can be good. The flop - I prefer check, because blinds are high and to control the pot. Besides we are OOP. With OESD I want to see cheaply the next card.
As played - If he raise me on the flop, I only call, because we have about 36% to win this hand. All in with OESD it is a too risky. Better see cheaply the turn and fold if the turn is a bad card,

u have nothing then u have 3 bet on flop and u go all-in?
that.s look poor

 

[Arjonius]

I'd prefer a somewhat larger bet size pre-, enough to encourage the BB to fold a decent proportion of the time.

I'm also inclined toward more of a pot control line since you seem to have good chip position. So maybe look to check-call the flop if the price is reasonable.

As played, shoving over his raise is unappealing with little or no fold equity and being behind anything but air.

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

I'd prefer a somewhat larger bet size pre-, enough to encourage the BB to fold a decent proportion of the time.

I'm also inclined toward more of a pot control line since you seem to have good chip position. So maybe look to check-call the flop if the price is reasonable.

As played, shoving over his raise is unappealing with little or no fold equity and being behind anything but air.

This is pretty much what I think I should have done. Leaves me with a lot of tough turn decisions... I guess I'm giving up if the turn doesn't work for me?

I mean no point in trying to save chips if I'm not saving the chips....

 

[Arjonius]

This is pretty much what I think I should have done. Leaves me with a lot of tough turn decisions... I guess I'm giving up if the turn doesn't work for me?

I mean no point in trying to save chips if I'm not saving the chips....

You accepted the possibility of difficult decisions when you opened a mediocre hand small enough to be called pretty wide by an opponent with position. I'm not saying you should have folded pre- (which would have been somewhat conservative but certainly not awful), Rather, I'm suggesting that when you decided to open, you should already have factored in that unless the BB folded, difficult decisions could quite easily come up - more often and more difficult than, for example, if you opened the same hand from the button.

As for what to do on the turn, it may depend on his line. He's going to bet after you check, but how much? And with your presumed 8 clean outs, how much are you willing to call with the knowledge that you'll miss on the turn about 5/6 of the time?

In addition, you have to allow for the possibility that after you check the flop, he'll bet with nothing because he thinks you're showing weakness. There's also the chance he'll bet with a small pair and in both these cases, that you have more outs by pairing your J and maybe even your 9.

There may also be meta- considerations. For instance, depending on your level of skill (dis)advantage, you may want to gamble more or less.