$1.10 NL HE MTT: All in 60 BB? Call or fold?

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

1.10

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

This is the 4th hand of the $1.10 Bounty Builder on pokerstars, I don't have any info on this 2 players.

Do you guys call here?


PokerStars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (6 ante) - 8 players

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UTG: 6,040 (121 bb)
UTG+1: 1,073 (21 bb)
MP: 6,589 (132 bb)
MP+1: 1,893 (38 bb)
CO: 3,000 (60 bb)
BU: 2,930 (59 bb)
SB (Hero): 3,331 (67 bb)
BB: 3,530 (71 bb)

Pre-Flop: (123) Hero is SB with J♦ 9♦
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 50, 2 players fold, CO calls 50, 1 fold, Hero calls 25, BB checks

Flop: (248) 6♦ 8♠ 4♦ (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets 500, CO raises to 2,944 (all-in), SB (Hero) folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls 517 (all-in)

Turn: (2,282) K♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (2,282) 2♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 2,282

Spoiler

Showdown:
CO shows 2♥ 6♣ (two pair, Sixes and Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

UTG+1 shows Q♦ T♥ (high card, King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

CO wins 2,282

 

[Ace of Spad3s]

Hmmm seems to me a bit of a steep price to make the call on the flushdraw. You got 2 overcards for an additional 6 outs, but in such cases you might not be good on those either. V shoving here i would usually see as an overpair, two pair or set, meaning you only got 9 outs. And the price is too high to chase as most of the time you'll miss the turn and river.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I would also just complete here rather than iso out of position with a hand like this.

Flop
Great flop for you obviously with a flushdraw, two overs and some backdoor straight potential. In limped pots I tend to lead out a lot, when I connect with the board. Maybe its unlikely, you can get all 3 opponents to fold right now, but you can clean up some equity and easily get some better hands to fold, and you definitely dont have showdown value with a J high draw. Checking is also ok though, and you can then either check-call or check-raise, if someone else puts in a bet.

With this heavy action behind you though you just have to fold. Maybe you would be in ok shape in the main 3-way pot, and there is a big overlay in that pot from UTG+1s bounty. But there is also going to be a big sidepot with CO. And he is very unlikely to be piling in his entire stack with nothing. Sure its a PKO, so he has an incentive to go after UTG+1s bounty. But to do so he still need a hand, which can beat UTG+1 at showdown. And unfortunately such a hand also beat your J high draw, so you need to get out of the way.

Results
So they were both completely out of line, and you would have won the hand. This is not something to beat yourself up over. You lost 0,5BB in this hand, and there was no way for you to know, you were playing against total idiots or gamblers. Of course this is more likely in a $1,1 PKO than a $109 PKO, but a hand like this is still an outlier even in the micros.

 

[300HPGOD]

I agree with Fundiver here pretty much verbatim. My personal opinion here is I think this is an easy fold based on the action since you straight draw is a backdoor so you need two cards for a straight and your flush draw is only J high. I would think the worst you would normally run into here from CO is a the but flush draw which you are not doing well against so this is a no brainer fold. I think the villains showing up with crap here is what is jading you and this is not the norm even in the micro stakes. Just put a note on these two villains about what they did and had so that you can use it for future but in no way do I think these two villains represent the population.

 

[pentazepam]

Obvious and clear fold. If you see these morons again just value-bet big and call (or raise) with good hands. No need to bluff or chase draws.

Just take them to Value-town.

 

[almir nicolau]

Beginning of the tournament, this is the range that we should prioritize even if it would complete.

''Does anyone have a result of this hand in any solver please?''

sick spot both lines are good fold/call more in relation to a $1.10 micro tournament insta call on shove, I think the more profitable lines in the medium long term the call will be better. but the fold is not bad

 

[eetenor]

This is the 4th hand of the $1.10 Bounty Builder on Pokerstars, I don't have any info on this 2 players.

Do you guys call here?


PokerStars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (6 ante) - 8 players

Spoiler

Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 6,040 (121 bb)
UTG+1: 1,073 (21 bb)
MP: 6,589 (132 bb)
MP+1: 1,893 (38 bb)
CO: 3,000 (60 bb)
BU: 2,930 (59 bb)
SB (Hero): 3,331 (67 bb)
BB: 3,530 (71 bb)

Pre-Flop: (123) Hero is SB with J♦ 9♦
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 50, 2 players fold, CO calls 50, 1 fold, Hero calls 25, BB checks

Flop: (248) 6♦ 8♠ 4♦ (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets 500, CO raises to 2,944 (all-in), SB (Hero) folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls 517 (all-in)

Turn: (2,282) K♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (2,282) 2♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 2,282

Spoiler

Showdown:
CO shows 2♥ 6♣ (two pair, Sixes and Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 70%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

UTG+1 shows Q♦ T♥ (high card, King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 30%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

CO wins 2,282

This is way to early for us to be targeting small bounties in relation to starting stack for stacks preflop- unless we are going to rebuy and we know that most V are playing 62 for no good reason

The fold was correct be we fold the best sometimes

 

[fundiver199]

I think the villains showing up with crap here is what is jading you and this is not the norm even in the micro stakes.

CO did at least catch a small piece of the board, and he could win a bounty. So him turning second pair into a bluff is not totally surpricing, although we would not expect to see a hand as bad as 62 offsuit. However, what UTG+1 was thinking, is really difficult to understand. Limping in with QTo and then making a massive overbet on the flop into 3 opponents, when he missed completely? I mean: the whole idea of limping is presumably to be able to see a cheap flop and then only put in chips, when you connect? Maybe its ok to bluff with his hand, when two players have already checked. But then he could just bet something like 150 and fold to a raise. So definitely an example of the fact, that sometimes people will play really weird in the micros and make some ill adviced moves.