$0.55 NL HE MTT: KK in MP? Call or Fold? Multi way Flop

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

0.55

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

This is the daily bounty $0.55 with 1K GTD. I decided to raise the flop, mainly for information since there are so many players in I would rather 3-bet here and get the hand over with...If he shoves/raise again I fold and move on. What would you guys do? Do you think that calling and see the turn is better?

UTG+1 stats: VPIP 29 PFR 24 after 34 hands played


pokerstars, $0.49 + $0.06 - Hold'em No Limit - 45/90 (14 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 3,396 (38 bb)
UTG+1: 9,158 (102 bb)
MP (Hero): 5,137 (57 bb)
MP+1: 12,507 (139 bb)
CO: 11,640 (129 bb)
BU: 4,300 (48 bb)
SB: 5,143 (57 bb)
BB: 4,522 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: (247) Hero is MP with K♣ K♦
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 90, Hero raises to 270, MP+1 calls 270, 2 players fold, SB calls 225, BB calls 180, UTG+1 calls 180

Flop: (1,462) 7♣ A♥ 3♣ (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets 216, Hero raises to 708, 3 players fold, UTG+1 raises to 8,874 (all-in), MP (Hero) folds

 

[rhoudini]

It is quite sad to see an ace come up on the flop against 5 opponents, but I believe you are right to fold.
However, I think it is better not to raise, but muck the kings right at the moment, because if he does not have an ace, people behind you will have. I can't believe that with 4 opponents, none of them has an ace. It happens, but it is unlikely.
When he limps from early position and leads the A-high flop, much likely he has a weaker ace, like A9, A8, or even hit two pair with A7 or A3. We also should not discard the possibility of a set with 77 and 33, though unlikely.
But I think this the spot where you can move all your chips to the middle when you have AK, for example, because the chance of being against an weaker ace is high.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
This is where, the hand went off the rails already, because you made this incredibly small raise, which predictably caused half of the table to come along and take a flop. You need to make it at least 4BB, and at stakes this low and with a hand as good as KK, honestly 5BB or even 6BB is much better. By going larger you thin the field, and when someone still call, you get more value.

Flop
When someone makes an undersized bet like this, the best way to look at it is to ask yourself: "what would I have done, if they had checked?". And in this case the answer is clearly, that you would have checked as well. KK is to in between to bet on an A high board against 4 opponents. Its annoying, that he made this bet, but you are getting a good price, and even when you are behind, you have two outs to spike a set, and you also have a BDFD, which is approximately like another out. So I would not fold here, but raising makes absolutely no sense either. You say, you are doing this for "information", but in reality you have no idea, if the guy had some really bad hand like 53 offsuit and ended up bluffing you, because you reopened the betting for him.

 

[eetenor]

This is the daily bounty $0.55 with 1K GTD. I decided to raise the flop, mainly for information since there are so many players in I would rather 3-bet here and get the hand over with...If he shoves/raise again I fold and move on. What would you guys do? Do you think that calling and see the turn is better?

UTG+1 stats: VPIP 29 PFR 24 after 34 hands played


PokerStars, $0.49 + $0.06 - Hold'em No Limit - 45/90 (14 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 3,396 (38 bb)
UTG+1: 9,158 (102 bb)
MP (Hero): 5,137 (57 bb)
MP+1: 12,507 (139 bb)
CO: 11,640 (129 bb)
BU: 4,300 (48 bb)
SB: 5,143 (57 bb)
BB: 4,522 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: (247) Hero is MP with K♣ K♦
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 90, Hero raises to 270, MP+1 calls 270, 2 players fold, SB calls 225, BB calls 180, UTG+1 calls 180

Flop: (1,462) 7♣ A♥ 3♣ (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets 216, Hero raises to 708, 3 players fold, UTG+1 raises to 8,874 (all-in), MP (Hero) folds

1 we can raise larger than 3x vs this field type in a bounty as we will be called more often and we want to reduce the SPR to make draws play incorrectly.

2 As played if the V has Ax we can hit a K on turn and we are getting 8-1 to call and we will get stacks vs 77 33 A7 etc if we hit so it is 2.4bb to win 52 more- it is far better to call than raise- We also have back door clubs and our V could shut down on the turn with a weak AX hand - Some % of the time the V is block betting without an A so we have the best hand

3 When we raise will the V just flat 56cc? Can the other players not have an Ax hand? Do they not have AX 2 pair hands and sets and flush draws? This is a 5 way pot in a BMTT we get called by all kind of Ace crackers when we raise this and we still have to hope the UTG was getting way out of line into 4 players

4 The exploit play here is to fold not raise.

5 If you want good info from a Villain- you get more honest play on the turn then on the flop so call and see what happens next