$0.5 NLHE STT: River shove a mistake?

[cosyglo]

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T20/T40
Buy-in: $0.50 Sit & Go
full tilt poker
8 players

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T1,470)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T285)
MP - Hero (T1,455)
MP2 - MP2 (T1,260)
CO - CO (T1,890)
BTN - BTN (T1,260)
SB - SB (T2,340)
BB - BB (T3,540)

Preflop: (T60, 8 players) Hero is MP with As Qd
UTG calls T40, UTG+1 calls T40, Hero raises to T160, MP2 calls T160, 4 folds, UTG calls T120, 1 fold

Flop: Td Ah Tc (T580, 3 players - Hero: T1,295, MP2: T1,100, UTG: T1,310)
UTG checks, Hero bets T480, MP2 calls T480, 1 fold

Turn: Ks (T1,540, 2 players - Hero: T815, MP2: T620)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: 2d (T1,540, 2 players - Hero: T815, MP2: T620)
Hero bets T815 (all-in), MP2 calls T620 (all-in), Uncalled bet of T195 returned to Hero

Total Pot: T2,780
Hero shows As Qd (two pair, Aces and Tens)
MP2 shows Kh Ac (two pair, Aces and Kings)

MP2 wins T2,780


Think everything was fine pre flop and post flop, the turn threw me and after he checked it I thought maybe AJ. In reality I should have known he either had a 10 or AK, but yet again I convinced myself I was pot committed or ahead etc.
Any thoughts on a better way to play it?

 

[suby_rafael]

Your bet on the flop was pretty big and when the player in middle position called such a big bet. He is usually calling an ace with decent kicker or a ten (unless he is a fish of course). So the river shove was really not necessary as it was pretty early in the sit n go. He played it perfectly by inducing a shove and you just made a wrong decision on the river. It can happen sometimes with a kicker as strong as queen but you should not risk your tournament life so early unless you are sure that you have the best hand.

 

[cosyglo]

Im just going to go ahead a post a few more hands and hopefully someone will get a chance to look at them.

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T20/T40
Buy-in: $0.50 Sit & Go
Full Tilt Poker
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T2,145)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T1,290)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T1,485)
MP - MP (T990)
MP2 - MP2 (T1,380)
CO - CO (T1,395)
BTN - Hero (T1,635)
SB - SB (T1,680)
BB - BB (T1,500)

Preflop: (T60, 9 players) Hero is BTN with 6c 5c
6 folds, Hero raises to T120, SB calls T100, 1 fold

Flop: Qc 9s 6h (T280, 2 players - Hero: T1,515, SB: T1,560)
SB checks, Hero bets T200, SB calls T200

Turn: 4s (T680, 2 players - Hero: T1,315, SB: T1,360)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: Qh (T680, 2 players - Hero: T1,315, SB: T1,360)
SB checks, Hero bets T400, SB calls T400

Total Pot: T1,480
Hero shows 6c 5c (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
SB shows 6s Ac (two pair, Queens and Sixes)

SB wins T1,480

I thought I might get away with this one on the river, and he might have been on a spade flush draw at that stage. Pretty astonished that he called there with A6 but there you go.


No Limit Hold'em Tournament T40/T80
Buy-in: $0.50 Sit & Go
Full Tilt Poker
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T2,050)
MP - MP (T2,380)
CO - CO (T1,630)
BTN - BTN (T2,575)
SB - SB (T2,255)
BB - Hero (T2,610)

Preflop: (T120, 6 players) Hero is BB with Js Jd
4 folds, SB raises to T240, Hero raises to T640, SB raises to T1,040, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of T400 returned to SB

Total Pot: T1,280
SB mucks

SB wins T1,280

This one also confused me. Probably QQ+ or AQ+, more than likely behind but I thought it may have just been a steal that would fold to the reraise.

Did I play these wrong?

 

[WiZZiM]

the first hand is a classic way ahead/way behind spot. without reads i think it's probably ok to stack off with your AQ because players don't have to have AK A10 here all the time. if they called preflop with Ax (likely considering the level of play in general), then we are missing out on value by not shoving. But in general we just get folds on this board a lot, so either bet the flop much, much smaller to like 150-200 to allow hands like KQ, KJ call in the hopes of hitting a straight, or hit a second best hand which we can extract value from later. This flop we could also check, but against two players, it's more likely someone has broadway somethings.

also, if and when you get better at late stage play, you can decide to pass up on these early spots. I'd personally not raise this preflop and opt to either limp behind or just fold, because i know i can pick up chips and equity later on in the game. Basically we're always going to be playing a big pot here when we raise, usually at minimum 3 handed, which isn't a big deal but i noticed a lot of my early place finishes were overvaluing hands like AQ AK preflop, and getting into big pots early where i would get confused when players played back at me early.

 

[WiZZiM]

Im just going to go ahead a post a few more hands and hopefully someone will get a chance to look at them.

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T20/T40
Buy-in: $0.50 Sit & Go
Full Tilt Poker
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T2,145)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T1,290)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T1,485)
MP - MP (T990)
MP2 - MP2 (T1,380)
CO - CO (T1,395)
BTN - Hero (T1,635)
SB - SB (T1,680)
BB - BB (T1,500)

Preflop: (T60, 9 players) Hero is BTN with 6c 5c
6 folds, Hero raises to T120, SB calls T100, 1 fold

Flop: Qc 9s 6h (T280, 2 players - Hero: T1,515, SB: T1,560)
SB checks, Hero bets T200, SB calls T200

Turn: 4s (T680, 2 players - Hero: T1,315, SB: T1,360)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: Qh (T680, 2 players - Hero: T1,315, SB: T1,360)
SB checks, Hero bets T400, SB calls T400

Total Pot: T1,480
Hero shows 6c 5c (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
SB shows 6s Ac (two pair, Queens and Sixes)

SB wins T1,480

I thought I might get away with this one on the river, and he might have been on a spade flush draw at that stage. Pretty astonished that he called there with A6 but there you go.

First of all, love the button raise, really good to see! however, that flop isn't the best one to c-bet on. it's a semi wet board and theres a ton of stuff he won't be folding on this flop. Think about his percieved range preflop, i'd assume things like pocket pairs, ax type hands, but mainly broadway and possibly some higher suited connectors, it really is villian dependant, but it seems like a range a normal fish would call with in these games.

against that range, you might get some folds from weaker PP, but everything else is at least calling this flop. when you bet postflop, we do it either for value, or to bluff here we can really do neither. now, if it's a board like A 5 5 rainbow, now lets c-bet for sure, there are just far less hands that will call us.

i don't think your bluff on the river is the worst play i've seen, but i'm likely just cutting my losses on this flop if i made the c-bet. if he has any pair he is not folding now, you probably get folds out of all his draws that missed hands like KJ K10 78 etc, but without solid reads, i'd be rarely trying to bluff call station villians.
No Limit Hold'em Tournament T40/T80
Buy-in: $0.50 Sit & Go
Full Tilt Poker
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T2,050)
MP - MP (T2,380)
CO - CO (T1,630)
BTN - BTN (T2,575)
SB - SB (T2,255)
BB - Hero (T2,610)

Preflop: (T120, 6 players) Hero is BB with Js Jd
4 folds, SB raises to T240, Hero raises to T640, SB raises to T1,040, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of T400 returned to SB

Total Pot: T1,280
SB mucks

SB wins T1,280

This one also confused me. Probably QQ+ or AQ+, more than likely behind but I thought it may have just been a steal that would fold to the reraise.
when we decide to 3bet pre-flop with jacks, you are essentially turning your hand into a bluff, so you may as well do this with 72 off suit. 3betting is fine against a crazy person, but i'd be looking to get it in preflop against them.

another line we can take here, that might save you some confusion is to just call preflop, and then stack off postflop when no A or king hits. simple.
Did I play these wrong?

..

 

[konatus]

You did the pot large in the hand AQ vs AK. Maybe you could do a standard raise and play with a pot a bit lesser on the flop

 

[cosyglo]

Thanks for all the help with the previous hands.
Im having some trouble putting ranges on players as the hand goes on.

AQo got me again! Im thinking K9 in this case, he probably reraised the flop to try to make it more expensive for a draw?


No Limit Hold'em Tournament T15/T30
Buy-in: $0.50 Sit & Go
Full Tilt Poker
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T1,500)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T1,470)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T1,500)
MP - MP (T1,500)
MP2 - MP2 (T1,500)
CO - CO (T1,500)
BTN - BTN (T1,470)
SB - Hero (T1,590)
BB - BB (T1,470)

Preflop: (T45, 9 players) Hero is SB with Ah Qd
2 folds, UTG+2 calls T30, MP calls T30, 3 folds, Hero raises to T120, BB calls T90, UTG+2 calls T90, MP calls T90

Flop: 9h Td Kh (T480, 4 players - Hero: T1,470, BB: T1,350, UTG+2: T1,380, MP: T1,380)
Hero bets T180, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to T360, 1 fold, Hero calls T180

Turn: Ad (T1,200, 2 players - Hero: T1,110, UTG+2: T1,020)
Hero bets T240, UTG+2 calls T240

River: 9c (T1,680, 2 players - Hero: T870, UTG+2: T780)
Hero bets T300, UTG+2 raises to T780 (all-in), 1 fold, Uncalled bet of T480 returned to UTG+2

Total Pot: T2,280
UTG+2 mucks

UTG+2 wins T2,280


This next one too confused me and I had some trouble putting him on a hand/range

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T15/T30
Buy-in: $0.50 Sit & Go
Full Tilt Poker
8 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T1,470)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T1,500)
MP - MP (T3,015)
MP2 - Hero (T1,410)
CO - CO (T1,485)
BTN - BTN (T1,650)
SB - SB (T1,470)
BB - BB (T1,500)

Preflop: (T45, 8 players) Hero is MP2 with Qh Kc
UTG calls T30, 2 folds, Hero raises to T120, CO calls T120, 1 fold, SB calls T105, BB calls T90, UTG calls T90

Flop: 2s Kh 4c (T600, 5 players - CO: T1,365, SB: T1,350, BB: T1,380, UTG: T1,350, Hero: T1,290)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets T270, 1 fold, SB calls T270, 2 folds

Turn: 2h (T1,140, 2 players - SB: T1,080, Hero: T1,020)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: Jd (T1,140, 2 players - SB: T1,080, Hero: T1,020)
SB bets T390, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of T390 returned to SB

Total Pot: T1,140
SB mucks

SB wins T1,140

 

[WiZZiM]

with the AQ we're now OOP so raising this isn't a great play. we can fold and pick a few spots later to compensate, or we can limp in the small blind and play in a small controlled pot. note- we're never stacking off unless we hit the nut straight or something.

as played with the AQ, please don't c-bet that flop, you got 3 calls preflop, the chances someone has soemthing are just too high. check and fold to any bet. you compounded your error preflop, by calling the flop with only a gutshot and over, by turning your hand into a bluff against bad players who don't have the discipline to fold.


the KQ preflop raise is again not the greatest play. just fold these types of situations, if you do, it will skew your distribution forward as you will have less early place knockouts. if you have something like KQ suited we can limp behind to get to a cheap flop.

postflop that is the ideal flop for our hand. i like the bet size on the flop, there is very little that we are concerned about apart from random gutshots like A3 or A5 and we're only giving an ace 3 outs to beat us. so again, like above, pretty classic wa/wb spot (way ahead/way behind).

there's no real reason to not bet the turn here, he's shown us no aggression in the hand at all. if you think he's really weak, checking behind can be fine if you want to induce bluffs or "bluff catch" on the river, since there isn't many cards we're worried about. the 2 is a good and bad card, if he did call us with a 2 he now has trips, but that happens pretty infrequently.

we can never fold that river, the jack changes nothing, we're likely still ahead, folding this is more of a reason to just fold these types of hands preflop.