Mortis
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Though, he's still working with the UFC.
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ballers101
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thank god, he wasn't a great fighter, glass chin, some nice punches and good takedown defense that's all. Rampage beat him twice in his career, shogun dismantled him twice, Rashad destroyed him. The only reason he got the long winning streak was because he faced only wrestlers.
Mortis
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He WAS a great fighter, and didn't always have that glass chin.. it wasn't until his second loss from Rampage that he started to go downhill.. something clicked in him there, and his fighting age increased by quite a bit after that.. just didn't have it in him anymore.
He fought and defeated some excellent fighters in his day.. both wrestlers and strikers. The last 3 years just haven't been kind to him.
Next in line for retirement: Wanderlei Silva
He fought and defeated some excellent fighters in his day.. both wrestlers and strikers. The last 3 years just haven't been kind to him.
Next in line for retirement: Wanderlei Silva
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ballers101
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He lost to Keith Jardine for god's sake. Strikers really like who, a young Overeem who isn't even as close to as good as he is now. Like I said if Chuck Liddell in his prime had he faced the top 5 or 6 guys in the top of the UFC division now he would get absolutely destroyed. Shogun would kill him, Rashad would own him, Rampage would own him, Machida would own him and Jon Jones would own him. All 5 of those guys are high class fighters and don't just have a one punch KO power. Chuck Liddell is a horrible boxer the only thing that made it seem like he was a good one was because he had one punch that could knock you out. Remember only 3 years ago it seemed like Liddell was unbeatable but he gets KO 4 times in his last 6 fights along with the fact he lost to Keith Jardine. He's not a great fighter, overrated, okay fighter just fought in a period of wrestlers.
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Agree with Mortis that he was a great fighter and a true legend of the sport.
He has brought us some great moments, the favourite of mine was his KO of Tito Ortiz at UFC 47.
Also agree that it was well time for him to retire. No point tainting his legacy any further.
He has brought us some great moments, the favourite of mine was his KO of Tito Ortiz at UFC 47.
Also agree that it was well time for him to retire. No point tainting his legacy any further.
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Mortis
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Yeah, he lost to Keith Jardine via Split Decision.. after that knock down that Keith landed on Chuck, Chuck just retreated after that. I don't know what clicked in his head after that.
But.. on a similar note, Chuck Liddell beat Wanderlei Silva, who also lost to Keith Jardine. So.. what does that mean? Absolutely nothing. Fighters have good days and bad days, and as I stated, the last 3 years since Chuck lost to Rampage the 2nd time, have not been kind to Chuck, and the last 2 years is when he should have been considering retirement.
Before he lost the belt, he was a great fighter, he is still a legend, and helped bump MMA into mainstream. He just aged is all.
When Chuck first got into Martial Arts, he was a kickboxer, going 20-2, with 16 by the way of KO, before heading into the UFC.
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You are clearly not understanding what I am saying, Chuck only beat guys who didn't have good standup. The only wins I really say, that was an outstanding win by Chuck was when he beat Randy Couture. Even then, Randy Couture doesn't have great standup he just has great wrestling, if you stop his takedowns then you basically are guaranteed to win the match. Let's see Tito Ortiz, pure wrestler never had great standup skills. Babalu Sobral, no he also never was a threatening fighter with his standup really was a ground fighter with good submissions on the ground. Vernon White, well he sucked anyways he was 20-26 after losing to Chuck Liddell. Jeremy Horn, submission specialist again only had submissions in his arsenal of attack never was a threatening fighter with his stand up. Why is it that he got absolutely DOMINATED by Rampage twice. In the first fight the corner threw in the towel because he was getting his ass beat. In the second fight he got knocked out viscously.
He didn't even face the toughest fighters at his time, had he fought the best guys in Pride at the time he would have lost. Dan Henderson would have knocked him out, Wanderlie in his prime would have knocked him out, Mark Hunt would have knocked him out.
The reason why Chuck will never be a legend is because he didn't face the top guys of his division, he faced the UFC Lightheavyweight division which, was extremely weak. Look at the Pride's LH weight division. Wanderlie, Shogun, Rampage, Henderson, Arona, Hunt even Cro Cop for some fights was fighting in the LH weight division. Think about it, why did Chuck leave Pride after losing to Rampage, because honestly Rampage was one of the weaker fighters in Pride. He got his ass beat by Wanderlie and Shogun. Chuck wouldn't stand a chance against theses guys, he beat Wanderlie but he is not the same Wanderlie of Pride anymore and he has lost his ability because of his age.
He didn't even face the toughest fighters at his time, had he fought the best guys in Pride at the time he would have lost. Dan Henderson would have knocked him out, Wanderlie in his prime would have knocked him out, Mark Hunt would have knocked him out.
The reason why Chuck will never be a legend is because he didn't face the top guys of his division, he faced the UFC Lightheavyweight division which, was extremely weak. Look at the Pride's LH weight division. Wanderlie, Shogun, Rampage, Henderson, Arona, Hunt even Cro Cop for some fights was fighting in the LH weight division. Think about it, why did Chuck leave Pride after losing to Rampage, because honestly Rampage was one of the weaker fighters in Pride. He got his ass beat by Wanderlie and Shogun. Chuck wouldn't stand a chance against theses guys, he beat Wanderlie but he is not the same Wanderlie of Pride anymore and he has lost his ability because of his age.
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You know he'll do nothing now just got the title to stop the press from talking you could see from the press conference it was all Dana and Lorenzo and Chuck wasn't happy at all, although I think he should have retired years ago
Mortis
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Chuck was actually sent over to Pride by the UFC to enter into their tournament, because the UFC felt they had better fighters, and wanted to prove it. Pride accepted the challenge. In their first round, Chuck defeated Overeem. In the 2nd round, he lost to Rampage, as you know. He didn't leave Pride because he lost.. well, technically he did.. but that was the plan anyway, he was heading back to the UFC after he lost or won the tournament.
Though, there is some reason in your insanity in your post. Some stuff you are right about. At the time, the light heavyweight division wasn't as top notch as it is today. And he did beat a lot of lower tier fighters. Lower then today's standards, anyway.
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ballers101
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It's like you read my post but ignore it at the same time. The UFC thought they had better fighters than Pride so they sent their best LH weight to Pride to see if they had a better LH division. He lost in the 2nd round to a good fighter but not the best fighter. Doesn't that tell you something, Pride had a far better LH weight division then the UFC. If one of their better (but not best) fighter beats the UFC's best LH weight twice and absolutely dominates him.
Chuck is overrated, everyone thinks Liddell is the best because he dominated a division that if you look at from only the World Stand point was a weak one when compared to the Pride's LH weight division. It's funny how you say I am wrong but you cannot give me a specific reason why I am wrong. People are just saying I am wrong, because they have never watched Pride before. They think the UFC is the best because it is from the US. Pride had way better fighters, Rampage proved it when he came to the UFC and KO their so called best fighter, Chuck Liddell.