Is there a possibility of manipulation on Pokerstars?

[ZenonBR]

Speaking specifically about spin & go but also tournaments in general.

I realize that if you start to build a lot of bankroll, especially in spin & go, there comes a time when strange things start to happen, you start to take bad hits more frequently, bad ones that are incredible to take, your opponents start to RAISE more often , and fold equity decreases a lot, opponents no longer fold bluffs, and there are sequences of low equity hands forcing you into a bluff that is not folded, leaving you with no option and causing you to be eliminated, this happens specifically when you start to raise your bankroll I don't know if this happens in other tournaments and situations, but I leave the question open, do you believe there is any influence on the generation of cards or does it not happen?

 

[valanddon]

At pokerstars anything is possible.

 

[Funtast]

Hey Zenon,

whats your samplesize - how often did this process all together occur?
How often did it not occur?

Thank you

 

[ZenonBR]

Hey Zenon,

whats your samplesize - how often did this process all together occur?
How often did it not occur?

Thank you

It always happens when you start to increase your bankroll a lot, reaching a point where reverse situations start to occur more frequently.

 

[Funtast]

Sorry but "always", "a lot" are terms that are just too vague to make predictions.

 

[oskarsbaumanis2]

I think that everything is fine and good there at pokerstars

 

[rvnhss]

I am leaning to the side of yes there is card manipulation. I know bad beats happen because anything is "possible" although when the improbable become predictable, which if you're close to the bubble happens frequently, then something fishy is going on. (It's even more fishy on GG and 888 where they have side bets and rewards on what hole cards you get dealt).

People will say it's just variance, that you're sample size is too small, that you have selective memory, but none of that explains the predictability of it all. The only good news is that it seems to be random in that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but I know for sure that my long term results are nowhere near the equity I play with i.e. like winning 25% of the time when you have 75% equity.

 

[Risto234]

At pokerstars anything is possible.

Guess you right.
After all "pokerstars" and "scam" do belong into the same sentence

 

[kabokinha]

I don't think so

 

[Ron112355]

 

[Lucho.riv9]

well there is a lot of people that win money playing in pokerstars, so I don't think so, just don't let the badbets affect you

 

[Cbabycee]

Speaking specifically about spin & go but also tournaments in general.

I realize that if you start to build a lot of bankroll, especially in spin & go, there comes a time when strange things start to happen, you start to take bad hits more frequently, bad ones that are incredible to take, your opponents start to RAISE more often , and fold equity decreases a lot, opponents no longer fold bluffs, and there are sequences of low equity hands forcing you into a bluff that is not folded, leaving you with no option and causing you to be eliminated, this happens specifically when you start to raise your bankroll I don't know if this happens in other tournaments and situations, but I leave the question open, do you believe there is any influence on the generation of cards or does it not happen?

Absolutely not. Think about it. What would be the point. I made a post about this and trusting sites previously. But the way the hands are generated on stars is nothing short of incredible. Their random card generator takes things like the speed of mouse clicks and so much other random information that can’t be predicted to generate the cards.

I have noticed however that the standard of play - on every site - follows a pattern every day, so as you are playing if it’s a regular time the players are changing too, so to start they could be soft, but then you get more experienced start to play, but you could also be playing people you’ve played before and know your style better or are using your stats against you. The sites only profit from the rake. It doesn’t matter who on the table wins - they still only get the rake. Unless you think the players beating you are the site what benefit would manipulating the cards have? You have no information on your opponents bankroll, so what makes you think it’s just you that’s been winning anyway?

It makes no sense for them to even think about risking losing the trust of the player base; as it doesn’t profit them in anyway….

For those of you who think you are being scammed because of the bad beats; you need to take into account the sheer amount of hands played online v live. Online the hands are so much faster so you will come across these bad beats more often. I guarantee that if you compared the hands against live hands hand for hand the results would be the same - the other difference online is the players are behind a screen and don’t have to look you in the face when they play 58off all in preflop and hit a straight against AA. People play better and less lose live. The online games are also a lot cheaper than live games usually and again people play loser when they’ve only invested a couple dollars.

There is no benefit to these sites making you lose and another guy win, I assure you those idiots rarely make the final table, playing that way, so what’s the actual benefit to picking on you?

Also there is No way that none of you have not knocked out someone who had AA with a crappy hand at some point, so were you playing for the site then? Come on shit happens

 

[ZenonBR]

Absolutely not. Think about it. What would be the point. I made a post about this and trusting sites previously. But the way the hands are generated on stars is nothing short of incredible. Their random card generator takes things like the speed of mouse clicks and so much other random information that can’t be predicted to generate the cards.

I have noticed however that the standard of play - on every site - follows a pattern every day, so as you are playing if it’s a regular time the players are changing too, so to start they could be soft, but then you get more experienced start to play, but you could also be playing people you’ve played before and know your style better or are using your stats against you. The sites only profit from the rake. It doesn’t matter who on the table wins - they still only get the rake. Unless you think the players beating you are the site what benefit would manipulating the cards have? You have no information on your opponents bankroll, so what makes you think it’s just you that’s been winning anyway?

It makes no sense for them to even think about risking losing the trust of the player base; as it doesn’t profit them in anyway….

For those of you who think you are being scammed because of the bad beats; you need to take into account the sheer amount of hands played online v live. Online the hands are so much faster so you will come across these bad beats more often. I guarantee that if you compared the hands against live hands hand for hand the results would be the same - the other difference online is the players are behind a screen and don’t have to look you in the face when they play 58off all in preflop and hit a straight against AA. People play better and less lose live. The online games are also a lot cheaper than live games usually and again people play loser when they’ve only invested a couple dollars.

There is no benefit to these sites making you lose and another guy win, I assure you those idiots rarely make the final table, playing that way, so what’s the actual benefit to picking on you?

Your answer makes sense.

 

[pundim]

I believe you're climbing limits and confronting better players in general.

Or you might be facing confirmation bias

 

[Poker Orifice]

I believe you're climbing limits and confronting better players in general.

Or you might be facing confirmation bias

this ^

 

[G0930]

I am leaning to the side of yes there is card manipulation.

You learn nothing that's your subjective perception.....

People will say it's just variance, that you're sample size is too small, that you have selective memory, but none of that explains the predictability of it all. The only good news is that it seems to be random in that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but I know for sure that my long term results are nowhere near the equity I play with i.e. like winning 25% of the time when you have 75% equity.

Love it how you talk about variance without realizing it ,🤣

 

[Lena M]

Speaking specifically about spin & go but also tournaments in general.

I realize that if you start to build a lot of bankroll, especially in spin & go, there comes a time when strange things start to happen, you start to take bad hits more frequently, bad ones that are incredible to take, your opponents start to RAISE more often , and fold equity decreases a lot, opponents no longer fold bluffs, and there are sequences of low equity hands forcing you into a bluff that is not folded, leaving you with no option and causing you to be eliminated, this happens specifically when you start to raise your bankroll I don't know if this happens in other tournaments and situations, but I leave the question open, do you believe there is any influence on the generation of cards or does it not happen?

If we talk about spin and go tournaments, they are simply "bingo tournaments". I would not pay attention to the statistics of Spin and Go tournaments. If we talk about ordinary MTT tournaments and their statistics, then this is a more reliable indicator. But your results cannot always be equally positive, your path to the goal will be a series of ups and downs and there is nothing unusual in this. As for possible manipulation, this is a fairly popular question that has been discussed many times, but I have never heard a convincing answer.

 

[julio gonzalez]

Hello, I play every day at Pokerstars and GG poker and I see incredible plays, especially in microlimits and on PS. much more I don't think there are fixed hands, but I do think that the soft. predetermines the hands and many times after playing a couple of hands and I receive AA I know that I am going to lose to the player who beat me before. all this happens to me every day