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Its been a while, since I played on 888, but today I logged on just to see, whats going on. And it made me a bit sad to see, how volume has obviously continued to decline. The MTT offerings are now even less, which of course we cant blame them, when they dont have enough players to fill more games. They have reshuffled the offerings quite a bit and now run a lot of mystery bounty events. But at the end of the day the result is, if I play MTTs there, I would rarely be able to get more than 1-3 tables going at a time. Which was already the main reason, I moved back to pokerstars a few years ago. The SnGs are completely gone, and in the snap lobby only the 2NL and 25NL tables were running. So while I kind of want to like the site and come back and play there again, I cant find any compelling reason to do so :(
 
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Sad but true.

online poker is slowly dying.

Only PokerStars and GG Poker with volume enough if you want to be able to play multiple tables at any time of the day.

And GG Poker is almost impossible to withdraw from for Swedish players last time I looked.

We had a discussion about this earlier but if you don't have an affiliate you can trust I think PokerStars are the "least bad" option.

Just sucks not to be able to get anything back since we don't compete on equal terms. Especially not in cash games.

You have seen this site of course but I post the link for others:


I like to play when I want to and not be restricted to certain times of the day. That is no longer possible at most sites.
 
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For me, 888 Poker is a good site, where I win prizes most of the time, although sometimes they are small, but nice.
 
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I do not think this thread is complaining, but rather pointing out a definite decline. Now, just the other day, I was on 888 and they had a few hundred players on their Snap tables. But usually it is maybe a small group of 30-50. I don't know what happened to the site. They have stayed pretty consistent with freerolls and their tournaments seem okay, but somehow they're just not as attractive as other sites. Maybe they crashed too many old grampa computers in the middle of some big hands and now the grampas just don't trust them anymore.
 
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What time did you log on? If it was morning or afternoon european time it tends to be a bit dead. It tends to pick up a bit in the evening.

I've started playing there more since the PS changes and the main thing I have noticed is how much softer the games are! You can always play 888 and PS at the same time, which is what I tend to do if I cant find enough good cash tables.
 
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What time did you log on? If it was morning or afternoon european time it tends to be a bit dead. It tends to pick up a bit in the evening.
It was european morning hours, and sure that is not peak hours on any site. But even a few years ago it would be unheard of for a 5NL or 10NL fast-fold table to not run 24 hours a day. And as for the tournament scheduled I checked a full 24 hours, and my clear impression was, it was reduced at all times.
I've started playing there more since the PS changes and the main thing I have noticed is how much softer the games are!
I originally opened an account on 888, because I heard, how soft it was. But for cash games I found it to be generally not true, at least back then in 2019, or whenever it was.
You can always play 888 and PS at the same time, which is what I tend to do if I cant find enough good cash tables.
That is of course possible, but I kind of hate playing on two sites at the same time, since it makes it more difficult to arrange tables, and I constantly have to adjust between the different software.
Only PokerStars and GG Poker with volume enough if you want to be able to play multiple tables at any time of the day.
Exactly.
And GG Poker is almost impossible to withdraw from for Swedish players last time I looked.
That is also my observation, and why I have yet to try it out. For years they did not operate in sweden, and now it seems like, they are operating as a grey market site. On the positive side this mean, that maybe incentives are then available?
We had a discussion about this earlier but if you don't have an affiliate you can trust I think PokerStars are the "least bad" option. Just sucks not to be able to get anything back since we don't compete on equal terms. Especially not in cash games.
And in SnGs as well. Less of an issue in MTTs, where a dubble digit ROI should be possible.
I like to play when I want to and not be restricted to certain times of the day. That is no longer possible at most sites.
Same here. And I generally dont like playing to much in the evening, since I tend to get tired to fast.
 
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You are absolutely right. This has been the situation for the last few years, players have been leaving, guarantees are falling, the cancellation of sng is a minus for regs and people who could just play a couple of tables in the evening for fun. Now the emphasis has shifted towards MTT Mystery Bounty with late registration of two or more hours. Once upon a time it was one of the top rooms, now they are constantly leaving different countries and everything doesn’t look very good
 
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888 poker lags far behind online according to other poker sites, it is also considered very small compared to other poker sites, and fewer and fewer people play there. I think if you want to play poker anytime it's GGPOKER and Pokerstars they always have cool tournaments
 
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I agree that traffic there is falling, and I think that this is due to the fact that they do not have the right promotions and loyalty system.
 
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Most MTT players are playing on multiple sites at the same time so that they can have enough tables running (of similar format/buyin).
888 is still okay (imo). They've actually made some improvements recently but have room for many more.
Smaller fields (less variance) & weaker players.
I don't play much volume on there but I do still play on there.
 
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I came to the conclusion that MB are not that good of an invention of theirs, they feel like a scum for the most part. Now I'm waiting for this mystery bounty hysteria to go down. These tournaments can be fun, but only as a part of schedule, not the main focus. I actually decided to sort of not play there until they bring back or create new good regular tournaments, which should be either regular, or PKO.

And if not play these MBs, you don't really have much to play. The gaps between good tournaments can be so big, that it's not worth opening this room while multirooming just to play one table here. And you definitely can't rely a whole session on this room entirely.

I also noticed that things used to be different, but part of the reason is their tournaments choice. When it was PKO or Big Fish series, or some other set of tournaments, the room seemed a lot livelier.

Still, I believe they are not done, hope they can do something about it.

Also I just realized that I won't give them high mark next time they will send a feedback letter about player experience. Might write some thoughts which are voiced here as the reason of the low mark
 
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I came to the conclusion that MB are not that good of an invention of theirs, they feel like a scum for the most part.
I have not played them but with small fields, where maybe only 50 players cash, there has to be a limit to, how large the mystery bounties can get. So it is really that much more exciting than a regular PKO? Still I think, I could live with the format, but the low number of MTTs offered is kind of a deal breaker for me. And even more so, when I cant play SnGs to fill out the gaps.
 
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For me i think that 888 poker is still the best, it just needs some improvements compared to other poker sites.
 
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Its no surprise that this site is slowly dying. Too many mistakes have been made over the years and many customers left in anger or had to leave due to regulations. Cash game rake was always high, they no more offer SNG's and now they are turning most mtt's into MB's it seems.
Software was terrible untill the update a few weeks ago and customer service is basically non existent there

If u have any small problem be ready to explain things over and over again and wait a long time for (most of the time) useless answers. Beware those with bigger problems! (And please dont tell me about that support thread here. Im aware of it).

If u are looking to build a roll from scratch and /or playing mainly freerolls, its a cool site. Cash and tournaments are also playable but i doubt any serious player is getting enough volume there. Its ok to mix in a few tables as others have already said.

Site is definitely softer than other sites on low limits and its kind if sad to see where they are going because there was once a lot of potential.
 
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I have not played them but with small fields, where maybe only 50 players cash, there has to be a limit to, how large the mystery bounties can get. So it is really that much more exciting than a regular PKO? Still I think, I could live with the format, but the low number of MTTs offered is kind of a deal breaker for me. And even more so, when I cant play SnGs to fill out the gaps.
If you are not lucky to win a big bounty, you're pretty much playing a very long regular tournament for a half of a prizepool (or whatever the division is precisely, but either way it's feels like a scum, if you are not lucky with bounties, and it's completely out of your control, you can do nothing here). Like I had a few very good tournaments, where I was getting like 10 KO once the KO stage kicked in and got only the minimum bounty each time. And mind you, they are not progressive bounties, neither you're in the ITM still, when this bounty stage comes.

And when in the ITM, you get to the final table, where only top 2 places are bigger than the biggest bounty, half of the FT places are a 15-55% of the biggest bounty which goes to just one player (I had tournaments where even top 1 was less than the biggest bounty, it depends I guess or they changed it a bit, I don't want to go and analyze, but the idea still stands regardless). So you played a big, long tournament, getting to a FT of which usually would mean good $, but if you got unlucky with bounties you are playing for inadequately small prizes on the FT. If you make a few trips to the FT like this, you'll get what I'm talking about and what I mean by this feeling like a scum. If, on the contrary, you'll luckbox yourself a good bounty or a good number of average to higher bounties, you might disagree. I also had such a stage of my perception, because I got rather lucky with these MB in the beginning (but never won a top bounty anywhere, btw).

But the more you play them, the more you'll understand that it's a tournament of even greater variance, because here even your winnings are random and out of you control and are very variable, even if you're running good and getting to the late stage. It's a total scum compared to PKO, where you know - the further you get, the bigger the bounties are and the prizepool is mostly concentrated here, it's a fun and exciting stage which pays you well. And it's twice worse than a regular tournament, because the structure, length, size is the same, but you playing only for a half of the prizepool. Majority of time late stage here is just a boring play for tiny prizes, which equal the prizes of a tournament of A LOT smaller size, all excitement is already gone, and bigger bounties are taken by players who busted way before the ITM.

Of course, it depends and vary greatly from tournament to tournament, but overall I don't want this additional roller coaster, I 1000% prefer PKO over this MB 💩👎🙄
 
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I want the good old freezeouts back.
A 'Suggestions to 888Poker' thread might be an idea. They express that they're seeking out what customers are looking for and I know recently they've been getting input from their 'Stream Team'. But I've also heard that there's a bunch of depts./people to go through and it's not a simple process by any means. I hope they get their sh_t together. I mean I think I can come up with a plan to make things grow for them.
a) bring back SnG's, decrease the rake to 5-6% and make a BIG promo/announcement about it
b) more Freezeout tournaments
c) have Tournaments running every 30mins., even with small fields with only 1 level of Late Reg., similar to how the 45-90-180 man SnG's ran
 
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If you are not lucky to win a big bounty, you're pretty much playing a very long regular tournament for a half of a prizepool (or whatever the division is precisely, but either way it's feels like a scum, if you are not lucky with bounties, and it's completely out of your control, you can do nothing here).
It does in fact seem a bit silly to play for many hours to basically participate in a lottery. If this is, what you want to do, Spin n Gos have been around for many years. Mystery Bounty events would perhaps make more sense as hyperturbos.
 
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