Permanently Banned from PokerStars and Full Tilt

[SANDYHOOKER KY]

I agree Cephas, That's just a bad suggestion, "should have got an adults information", that is plain crazy, it's called FRAUD in most countries. And some misdemeanors ARE NOT wiped from the record, in case you didn't know. And to be punished only makes one commit further infractions? The craziest thing in that post by n3rv is the "break rules that discriminate against you due to something beyond your control eg., your age, race, gender, nationality, ect." Holy cow, you have to be joking, breaking the rules is breaking the rules, period. And if you are under age, that gives you license to "break the rules and not suffer punishment?" JEEEZ how do you get "discrimination" of underage players not being allowed to play poker? That's the same as saying 14 year olds not being able to pack a gun, drink alcohol, and smoke cigarettes, are being "discriminated" against, because being 14 is "beyond" their control.

 

[lilnewtdog]

How did you sign up in the first place lie on your profile? You had to that's another rule broken. You tried to open multiple accounts that's probably against rules as well. Played there under age 3 strikes and your out probably.

 

[n3rv]

Really? How do you justify you comments? There is a difference between 17 and 18. It is 1 year. It is a rule. Where do you draw the line? Ok, one more shot at the bar. That one shot puts you over the limit and you get caught DUI. 10000 dollars later and a permanent criminal record. But it was only 1 more drink.
What happened in the past is a whole lot different now. Poker has a black eye in the view of a lot of people. We have to do everything in our power to change that perception. If it means setting an example, so be it.
IMHO.

 

[bikkeromano]

the rules are to be applied, is equal to the law and must be respected and not to infringe

 

[Cephas]

How long did it take you to find that one?

 

[IntenseHeat]

I'm not sure I even want to get involved in this one. But I do have one question. Wasn't Annette Obrestad (Annette_15) only 15 years old when she opened her account on Stars? I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right. But one player is celebrated for winning more than 500,000 on pokerstars and the other is given a lifetime ban. That's a huge inconsistency.

It kind of goes to show that previously poker sites may have just been the predators that some characterized them as, only interested in getting your deposit. Now they have to show themselves to be sticklers when it comes to enforcing their rules and upholding the laws of the jurisdictions in which the operate. Now they must be concerned with their image. And who can blame them for that. Look at what is at stake for them, the potential reentry into the American market.

My, how times seem to have changed. But is that such a bad thing? We want legalized, regulated poker. If we are to get it, then there have to be rules, and these rules have to be upheld. A lifetime ban does seem a little severe. But what do the Terms Of Service spell out? Before we are allowed to play, we are all made aware of the rules and the consequences of breaking them. I have to use the old Super Chicken line and point out that "you knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred".

 

[Keith_MM]

sites have to obey the terms and conditions of their licence set by the regulaters and money laundering regulations. If we want effective regulation to stop the likes of UB, Full tilt and Absolute, Lock poker in venice etc together with the myriad of other smaller sites from fleecing players , players have a moral and ethical duty to play by the rules. Stars have a long term view and that is getting access to the US market again. They are going to be whiter than white in enforcing money laundering,underage gambling, anti collusion, and problem gambling. The money they lose by turning down that custom is miniscule compared with the payday they will get if they can regain access to the US market.

Bottom line , don't angle shoot and certainly don't advise banned players how to get around their bans as all tyhat will happen is that stars will confiscate any funds in the account when they are caught the next time around.They have their methods , and they can prove who is likely to have been playing on the accounts so the risk is not worth it. Spend a couple of years paying your penance on smaller sites and then politely ask Stars if you may reopen your account as you were young and stupid and have reflected on how your actions were potentially harmfull to stars and apologise profusely.

 

[BigJamo]

You gunna ave 2 Move to Australia.

Time to change your details. Bank, Address & the rest. No better still. Go to the casino.

 

[Eurazia]

So firstly, I would like to mention that I've been banned for about two months now and that I was banned for playing under-age. I signed up in June of 2013 at the age of 17. I turn 18 in July of which I decided to create my own account. I gave them my id and waited for their response. They responded that since I played under-age that I'm no longer welcome to play and I'm permanently barred from returning to their gaming client. I was completely fine (yet a little be disappointed) with their decision. I came across a few posts last night on several forums having people playing under-age and yet getting away with a warning or being temporary banned until they turn 18. I couldn't understand on why I got permanently banned for only playing under-gaming for a month and a half, while other's played since they were 16 and got a less severe punishment. I emailed PokerStars with only a response stating that they're decision is finally and will no longer be look at. Do you feel this is fair? Do I deserve a punishment this harsh? Like, I can't even play on Full Tilt and I signed up at 18 there.

yes I heard that they have very rigid rules, and it is better not to violate their rules, I sympathize with you.

 

[mange1234]

Bummer

I think it is very harsh. But, there are ways around that also. Most likely, poker stars will relent and let you back.

Hang in there, and keep on playing. Don't let them get you down.

Good luck to you, on and off the felts.

mike

 

[Lucky_z_UA]

Well, rules are rules must still be registered in 18 years

 

[Carl Trooper]

When Stars was legal back in the day, I had over 7 accounts to my name. They emailed me and said that only 1 account was allowed per person, and I had to simply choose which one I wanted to keep.

It is weird that the rules change depending on the person, but I would suggest writing a nice email and explain you are sorry and you won't break the TOS anyway again.

Maybe even ask if they can put you on a temporary supervision period where if anything bad happens, you lose all abilities to play.

 

[kidkvno1]

When Stars was legal back in the day, I had over 7 accounts to my name. They emailed me and said that only 1 account was allowed per person, and I had to simply choose which one I wanted to keep.

It is weird that the rules change depending on the person, but I would suggest writing a nice email and explain you are sorry and you won't break the TOS anyway again.

Maybe even ask if they can put you on a temporary supervision period where if anything bad happens, you lose all abilities to play.

Ummmmm It may have to do with the DOJ cracking down on stars!!

 

[NateVest]

Best advice is to find your next best option in canada regarding online poker sites. There are a couple of other options for you, but are indeed running thin with the new changes in Canada. Best of luck with your decision.

 

[AtiFCOD]

So firstly, I would like to mention that I've been banned for about two months now and that I was banned for playing under-age. I signed up in June of 2013 at the age of 17. I turn 18 in July of which I decided to create my own account. I gave them my id and waited for their response. They responded that since I played under-age that I'm no longer welcome to play and I'm permanently barred from returning to their gaming client. I was completely fine (yet a little be disappointed) with their decision. I came across a few posts last night on several forums having people playing under-age and yet getting away with a warning or being temporary banned until they turn 18. I couldn't understand on why I got permanently banned for only playing under-gaming for a month and a half, while other's played since they were 16 and got a less severe punishment. I emailed PokerStars with only a response stating that they're decision is finally and will no longer be look at. Do you feel this is fair? Do I deserve a punishment this harsh? Like, I can't even play on Full Tilt and I signed up at 18 there.

Yeah it's too big punishment IMO. 2-3 months would be enough I think.
Very unfortunate situation. But since you are canadian, you can play in many good rooms eg Party, Ipoker network...tho I know that PS has the best tourneys.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Best advice is to find your next best option in Canada regarding online poker sites. There are a couple of other options for you, but are indeed running thin with the new changes in Canada. Best of luck with your decision.

huh?

 

[punctual]

In the meantime, you can sit by your father's side and help him make decisions as he plays in his own pokerstars or fulltilt account (WINK WINK).....lol

Truth is, if you are determined to play you will find a way. they can't really stop you. I mean, they can stop you from registering under your own name but that will not necessarily stop you from playing there.

I think it is odd that they would choose to block you indefinitely. Had you engaged in any unethical practices while you were there (besides, of course, for playing underage)?

Does the Punishment fit the crime? No, but if you are not willing to wait until your 18 to play poker, then you have to be willing to accept your punishment. At your age you should be dating or other kid activity anyway. IMHO.

You are so FULL OF SHITE man. Let's see if you would willingly accept your punishment if you got caught going 10 miles over the speed limit and you were then banned for life from ever driving again.

The punishment is RIDICULOUS. There must be other motivation behind why they would ban indefinitely. Even though this has not happened to me, I feel outraged by this...lol

And your comment about "you should be doing this and that at your age anyways" is equally as troubling to me. If the kid likes poker, there is nothing wrong with that. Poker teaches valuable life lessons.

 

[smidjet]

dad always warned me if i cant do the time dont do the crime

 

[jancika77]

They (PS) do not like their rules broken, so they punish you. There is plenty online poker sites where you can play.

 

[John A]

I've heard some of these kids have a good friend signup for an account, and then play under their friends account. Now, I'm not saying this would be an easy way around these silly rules, I'm just saying what I've heard.

 

[Poker Orifice]

In the meantime, you can sit by your father's side and help him make decisions as he plays in his own pokerstars or fulltilt account (WINK WINK).....lol

Truth is, if you are determined to play you will find a way. they can't really stop you. I mean, they can stop you from registering under your own name but that will not necessarily stop you from playing there.

I think it is odd that they would choose to block you indefinitely. Had you engaged in any unethical practices while you were there (besides, of course, for playing underage)?



You are so FULL OF SHITE man. Let's see if you would willingly accept your punishment if you got caught going 10 miles over the speed limit and you were then banned for life from ever driving again.

The punishment is RIDICULOUS. There must be other motivation behind why they would ban indefinitely. Even though this has not happened to me, I feel outraged by this...lol

And your comment about "you should be doing this and that at your age anyways" is equally as troubling to me. If the kid likes poker, there is nothing wrong with that. Poker teaches valuable life lessons.

I'm pretty sure the punishment for going 10mph over the speed limit is typically a fine & no doubt those who are exceeding the speed limit are aware of this & accept it.

Sounds like you might be a few years short of the minimum age requirement yourself.

 

[Keith_MM]

why is everyone under the impression that its no biggie playing underage. He's broken or made stars complicit in breaking money laundering regulations by giving false identity details in order to play in the first place. Then he breaks underage gambling regulations and opened stars up to regulatory procedures aimed at preventing underage gambling. Is OP willing to pay any fines that may get levied against Stars or maybe everyone should just think about it and realise that any fines mean that there will be less money available to legal players via promotions and the VIP scheme. If enough people are caught playing underage , money laundering stars could always have their licence revoked.So why encourage people to keep breaking the rules and put at risk the only site that does seem to stick by money segregation rules , pays out promptly and refunds players when cheaters are caught colluding.

Attempting to avoid the ban will just mean that he will get caught and if he is caught ignoring the ban then it is highly unlikely that he will ever get back on stars.serve a punishment and then politely apologise and ask if you can have the ban lifted and if stars see that you have obeyed their ban they MAY look favourably on you. There have been reports on 2+2 that bans have been lifted in these circumstances after a couple of years

 

[TeUnit]

dont think there is anything you can do about it

would check out other sites if you are old enuf under their tocs

 

[marvingubba]

Severe for sure and perhaps the ban might be lifted after some period of time.

Imo the OP's ban was probably a result of the short time he was playing before he tried to verify his account. I'd bet that Pokerstars suspected he was a actually an undercover secret agent from the Canadian Underage Judgement Organization (CUJO) testing to see if Pokerstars would uphold their TOS agreement regarding age.

Sort of like sending a minor into buy booze while the coppers sit in the parking lot waiting to bust the store if they sell to them.

 

[redcoyote211]

opinions are like butts

so are excuses.we dont make the rules but someone does and if there was a line crossed then then there are conseqences to be paid.i do agree that it is extreme but on the good side there are other places to play.casinos loss not yours