Does any site really pay out?

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32SpittFire

Guest
Question for anyone. Do any of these sites actually pay out?

Here is the case at hand!

Started playing online about a year ago. Started with a weekly bankroll of $300.00. Would play average of 2-3 tourny's a day for 1 week. Any profits from the week were withdrawn. Following week do same thing with same $300.00 bankroll. As with any game cards seemed to change not hitting to many hands taking some bad beats, you know the story. No problem, always said, theres another day. Funny thing this untold "bad streak of luck" would run until I had to make another Deposit. Hmmm....I asked myself, can you really make money at this. Figured I needed to continue my knowledge level, read more books and dont give up. After playing 6 months on partypoker and absolutely makeing zero progress I was determined to find I different site. Landed myself on pokerstars. Again, same $300,00 bank roll. Rough few days until I found myself around the site and then off and running again. Same 2-3 tournys a day and low and behold made a little money. Made a withdrawl and have fallen all the way to the bottom again for the past 5 days consecutive. What is up? Everyone is telling me, oh ya making thousands a day! I beg to differ! Thier bankrolls must be millions. I don't know whats happening, but I will say this, my game is good, I can play with the lot of them, but I do not understand how u would ever profit from this. Love to hear anyones response.
 
brutus

brutus

Legend
i only deposit on pokerstars so my only experiences have been with them. i seem to have the same luck. i make a deposit and its all good for a cpl days then i start experiencing the bad beats more often. just had this experience for the past week. i made a deposit about a week ago and i was placing in the money around 2 out of 5 tourneys. then for the past two days i cant even get near the bubble. well twice i struggled to the bubble but i was shortstack and pretty much folded and survived the blinds until someone got knocked out hoping to survive to the money. i have been waiting to see which sites are goin to allow US players to keep playing and then moving on to another site. never listened to the comments about the type of things that only seem to happen at jokerstars and stuck with it but after going through my bankroll once again like this im moving on. i dont change my playing style and take breaks in between tourneys to keep from going on tilt i just experience bad beat after bad beat until the bankroll is down to nothin and time to deposit again.
 
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32SpittFire

Guest
Thank you so much for your response. It sucks, but makes me feel a little better. I live very far away from any large city so I am limited to the games I can play. Seems the internet is all I really have. I am not willing to continue to Deposit funds to find to no avail I will ever actually profit. Love the game but have no answer to this crazy play. I wish you gl. And again thanks for your response.
 
brutus

brutus

Legend
im not trying to say its rigged, if i was i wouldnt be looking into other sites. but im definitly ready to check out other sites more so i can see for myself if it is truly a pokerstars thing. need a change of venue anyway maybe a change of scenery will do me some good.
 
blankoblanco

blankoblanco

plays poker on hard mode
I make monthly profits off of party poker, although it can be hard at times. I've experienced a great deal of streakiness... either I'm just getting smacked in the face with awful luck again and again, or I'm getting better luck than I actually need to win... there's not much middle ground. I just got off a one week streak that was full of the most awful poker luck I've ever ever experienced, but I managed to minimize my losses considering what could have been. In the past few days I've been running good again and have made back twice what I lost during the bout of bad luck.

I think the key is being able to minimize your losses during bad luck streaks and maximize your gains when you're running hot. If you let poor luck adversely affect and tilt you, you're not going to be able to minimize your losses.
 
F Paulsson

F Paulsson

euro love
What level tournaments do you play with a $300 bankroll? And is it one-table or multi-table?
 
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HeadShot

Guest
You are possibly an average player. No worries!! You are better than most. I would say there is a leak in your game. Sounds like a small leak to me. You sound like you are just under breaking even all the time. Take your game and try adjusting it a little. Tweak it here and there and try to find out where the leak is. Also try to loose as little as possible when you have bad luck or just keep getting bad cards. Getting bad cards all the time isn't really so bad. You can still get ahead with bad cards.

Also playing tourneys can be closer to a lotto ticket than ring games. Not saying tourneys are a lotto ticket... just closer to it.
 
Egon Towst

Egon Towst

Cardschat Elite
Do any of these sites actually pay out?

Er, yes. I have made withdrawals at Titan and Absolute in the past two weeks.

I think the key is being able to minimize your losses during bad luck streaks and maximize your gains when you're running hot. If you let poor luck adversely affect and tilt you, you're not going to be able to minimize your losses.

Very true.

In any period of playing poker, whether for two hours, two weeks, two years or whatever, you will get good cards and bad cards. Every player does. Win big with your good cards, lose small with your bad ones, and you come out a winner overall.


Started playing online about a year ago. Started with a weekly bankroll of $300.00. Would play average of 2-3 tourny's a day for 1 week. Any profits from the week were withdrawn. Following week do same thing with same $300.00 bankroll.

Uh-oh, I suspect bad BR management (and it looks like FP`s nose is twitching on the same scent).

Why draw out all your winnings ? You can never progress that way, and the first big downswing busts you. Draw out half only of any win. Leave the other half to build a bigger cushion against the bad times, and maybe to move up in limits when you are confident enough.

Edit: and I just realised, this is an ancient thread. He probably turned it round or took up golf instead by now.
 
ChuckTs

ChuckTs

Legend
Check the thread date, guys. I'd bet the original poster hasn't even been on the forum this year.
 
Egon Towst

Egon Towst

Cardschat Elite
No prob, m8. I`m an old hand and I almost didn`t notice. :)

Anyway, no animals were harmed. :D
 
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pegagus

Guest
Poker is surely rigged

Right here it is, i have played on all the major poker sites, and have the same problem on all.

When i deposit i get good cards for a while and no bad beats, then suddenly get no hands at all and the worst bad beats you can imagine.

Then when i am approaching going bankrupt i get some great hands and hit on the flop and have no bad beats, then the next game lose and have to deposit again or just play no cards at all.

This happens on every room. I know nonconspiracists out there will just say i am one of the millions who cant accept losing and try to make up a reason why. But for playing for years and reading every guide or ebook out there and have every tool available, Calculatempro, Tourney indictator, even tried out poker edge, rubbish by the way, does more harm than good.

Would make me a better than average player, and i have won countless tournments, i still believe that the sites favour the underdogs. Mainly on the river, in fact if im having a bad run i get a funny nervous feeling before the river and always lose out.

It just happens way to much to be a coincidence. People will say what have the sites to gain, and why they would risk it, and that they are regulated by gaming authorites.

So it cant be rigged?

Well my theory is due to the fact vast majority of poker players are rubbish and would lose all their money to the good players, they need a bit of help to gradually lose their money over time not just straight away so they give up and dont play again. This is turn would keep the weak players playing and continually producing rake, and customers.

Why would they risk? Well my theory on this is, why are they all located on little islands not major countries, e.g. Gibraltor, others. So they are isolated from proper governments that could investigate this.

As they say they are regulated but how can any company regulate something that has billions of hands but only needs a few strategically located bad beats to make a good player lose and a bad player win.

What risk are they really running, the poker sites are mainly all on tiny islands away from the vast majority of players, even if companies do check they cant be expected to find the very small amount of created bad beats away from the natural ones, and who says they even hand over all the hand history, they regulates themselves.
The thing they have to gain is more money, they are all competing against each other and new ones are starting all the time, so more bad players continually playing equals more rake equals more money. Why wouldnt they do it. The biggest businesses in the world are always being caught out by fraud and underhand dealing why would the gaming industry be any different. As for shareholders they never see the bad beats or hand histroy and its not in their interest to find problems with their investment.

So thats why i believe it is rigged to favour poor players.

Any comments?

Not just that i am crazy for thinking that not everyone in the world is honest.
 
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MississippiMud

Enthusiast
Ever heard of the concept of "you create your own reality"? I think this applies to quite a few folks who play online poker... I know for a fact it is true of live poker.

Live experiences aside...I back this up only with my observations in not just this but other forums of the number of negative posts and posters. Badbeats, im so unlucky, online poker is rigged, ect.

If I have learned anything in my 35+ years of playing poker it is this. If your head is not in the game IN A 100% POSITIVE way. You WILL loose.

Negativity is fear and in poker fear kills.
 
DaFrench1

DaFrench1

Visionary
Valid last post

Some very valid points in the last post and I would not be able to discount any of them as being untrue. These are all things that crossed my mind and prevented me playing online games for a long time. I worked in IT for many years and know how easily the things you are suggesting can be done. But still it remains a 'maybe'. I am inclined to believe more the favouring of weak or maybe I should say regularly depositing players. This makes perfect sense after all, look after your best customers.

However, the fact that games are rigged rarely stops people participating (take boxing, wrestling, fruit machines even). With regards to poker, I have found that if you are utilising sound BR management then in the long run you can't really lose (unless you really are bad!) as you will just be playing at ever lower limits as your BR reduces. I'm still playing off my one and only deposit and have grown my BR to 8x since then, I take bad beats like everyone else. But I don't discount that the games maybe rigged. Like the posters above said, you just need to minimise the damage of the losses.
 
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VirtualFish

Guest
Nice reply Mississippi.

Bad beats do get you down, and I've just came out of one recently were my bullets were beat 4 times in a row 1-on-1 in an all-in situation. 3 of the 4 times it was on the bubble of a 6 man SnG with even stacks between us. I'm now scared of bullets when I have them.

I think psychologically you notice bad beats after cashing out because you've heard the rumor, and now are more tuned into them. As much as I love conspiracy theories, I just don't buy that these large poker rooms are guilty. (And yes i'm one of those people who don't beleive we have landed on the moon yet) For a few reasons.

1. Poker rooms gain the vast majority of their revenue through rake not by the interest of people cashing in and out repeatedly. Considering the bank accounts they have overall you would have to take out a very significant figure for them to really notice. I doubt 99.9% of us even on this site play at the level it would required.

2. The resources required to screw a person who has cashed out would never end. Now that I made person A lose to B, what happens when B cashes out. Its a never ending cycle and the more that play poker the harder it becomes.

3. Why risk it? Once you've designed the software, and have the servers the capex is done. Your cost increases from there are almost directly related to new players coming on board. Why risk screwing the reputation of a multi-million dollar business to get a person who cashed out?

Only my thoughts though,

Ken
 
pigpen02

pigpen02

Legend
Check the thread date, guys. I'd bet the original poster hasn't even been on the forum this year.

Last post June 12th this year. Last activity 15 September this year. Not gone, but not really active, either.
 
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Shumla

Rising Star
The same thing happened to my husband on pokerstars, after doing real well he has lost like 20 games in a row to ppl sucking out with awful hands, I have been playing at World3Dpoker and like it but have not made a deposit, just winning from the freerolls. I have to wonder is Pokerstars is not set up for this to happen and if so that means something is wrong. Maybe we should all write them with our concerns, because they have a lot more to loose than we do if their program is set to manipulate this way. I am glad to know its not just me thanks for sharing.
Shumla
 
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Shumla

Rising Star
OOPS old post but it came to my email so I thought it was new??? Odd
Shumla
 
Flops'm&Bets'm

Flops'm&Bets'm

Guest
I find it kind of Quaint how that pegagus seemed to have infiltrate the Rigged posts..
and revitalize the threads..and by me contributing to them does not help..
But it is by mention that these people are sharing similar experiences,
and that pegagus has directed to a site which I suspect, is their own site,
and promoting a 'Salvation Crusade' to capitalize on their perils and plight.

Like-come to my site and I will show you all 'My' proof that I need, to convince myself. And then perform the one trick pony act that says to use my site and service and we will get your money out of there and stop putting grease on the wheel, so that it may bring it to a screeching halt.

It appears to be some campaign. Send the minions out into the forums and spread the word of the 'moonies' LOL

shut 'er down fellas...Poker is rigged in your inner psyche..Learn to Play, take the bad beats with the GOOD and accept that the game is what it..and it has always had the losers feeling cheated.

It's as old as the Game itself...except people are getting Shot less because they are playing online and not in some Home Game Racket that gets robbed or Raided by the Authorities.

Bankroll management and losing streaks are when observed properly,
to give a person notice that something requires attention.
If a faucet leaks get it fixed or go crazy.
If the Dog wants out and you ignore it You get crap on the rug, or piss on the floor..and when you notice it then you will have to clean it up because it IS actually ..YOUR mess!!

~Play smarter, not Harder. Bet less, Make more. A saved chip is likely the one you wil need to succeed!~ ...And when In Doubt..hit 'F-O-L-D' ~When you are certain give them the Hurtin'~
 
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donkeyboy1989

Guest
paradise poker is the best ive tried so far when it comes to withdrawing my money.
the minimum deposit is small (10 pound) and withdrawing money takes less than 5 mins. just type in how much u want to take from ur poker account and done.
This is the only reason i play at PP instead of FT.
 
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DeadMoneyDad

Guest
Question for anyone. Do any of these sites actually pay out?

Here is the case at hand!

Started playing online about a year ago. Started with a weekly bankroll of $300.00. Would play average of 2-3 tourny's a day for 1 week. Any profits from the week were withdrawn. Following week do same thing with same $300.00 bankroll. As with any game cards seemed to change not hitting to many hands taking some bad beats, you know the story. No problem, always said, theres another day. Funny thing this untold "bad streak of luck" would run until I had to make another Deposit. Hmmm....I asked myself, can you really make money at this. Figured I needed to continue my knowledge level, read more books and dont give up. After playing 6 months on PartyPoker and absolutely makeing zero progress I was determined to find I different site. Landed myself on PokerStars. Again, same $300,00 bank roll. Rough few days until I found myself around the site and then off and running again. Same 2-3 tournys a day and low and behold made a little money. Made a withdrawl and have fallen all the way to the bottom again for the past 5 days consecutive. What is up? Everyone is telling me, oh ya making thousands a day! I beg to differ! Thier bankrolls must be millions. I don't know whats happening, but I will say this, my game is good, I can play with the lot of them, but I do not understand how u would ever profit from this. Love to hear anyones response.


Where do you play and what is your user ID there?:D


D$D<-- above Chris's progress vs time on the 0 to whatever chart.
 
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quads

Guest
I think allot of these questions could be answered in that book, "What no one else is saying about online poker"

Uh, Oh, here comes all the long run theory's.
 
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maltz

Guest
I only have limited experiences but hopefully I can offer my two cents.
So far, for every $1 of net profit (profit - loss) that I earn, the poker site has taken $0.6 of rakes.

Yes, it appears that they only charge 5% in the pot, but we all experience up and downs. We need to win more pots to cover our loss, whether due to luck or skill. So think of the rake being about 30% instead of 5%.

In order to turn a profit, you have to beat your fellow players significantly to overcome the 30% casino rake. If you win 100 and lose 70, you are just about even.
 
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snrcreech

Rock Star
I personally prefer tourny poker over cash games, but I've found that I am much better in tourney's when it's a live event and I'm much better at cash games when I'm online. I don't know why this is, but it is the way it is. You should explore different sites and different buy ins, etc.
 
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Kymi10

Rising Star
I think there are huge differences of what type of game you should play at different sites. I don't play tourneys too much but for example if I play fixed limit hold'em I'll play at Absolute or Cake because the ring games are so much looser at those sites. Well the last one is really good for any game you play... probably the sickest site that I've ever played...
For instance a while back I was playing .25/.50$ pot limit omaha at Cake at a table where the seeing of the flop usually costed somewhere around 10$... Just gotta love the action...
 
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