Do you trust Pokerstars card shuffling?

[Gritz18]

In my spare time, I often like to review some tournaments I've played on pokerstars, especially in tournaments that I didn't do very well.
And one thing has caught my attention, in the hands I'm getting when I'm playing.
I'm talking about repeating hands and cards, eg you get an A8, usually in the next hand you'll repeat one of the cards or the A or the 8. And sometimes you'll repeat the whole hand, it happened yesterday when I was playing the freeroll $100 Cardaschat, I was dealt the same hand three times in a row, as shown in the photo below.

Just look at the date and time to see that I'm not lying. This took place in the same tournament.

In the case below I have four hands in a row with the J card, all in the same tournament and in sequence, just look at the time and date.


I want to make it clear that I'm not complaining about having so many bad hands in a row, but trying to understand this Pokerstars shuffle where they claim to be the most reliable and innovative in the world like in the video below. Leave your opinion, thank you.

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[SteveAsh7]

I agree with you, I've played a couple of big tournaments this week and the same cards like i had A4 i don't know how many times it was crazy! The last cardchats freeroll i played i got AA 4 times in 20 minutes and lost 3 out of the 4 times. That's me NOT complaining because lets be honest who would getting AA, but it's a bit suspect to me.. The chat was going mad at me for it too LOL and tbh who can blame them it's shocking!

 

[elchonga]

Playing in-person poker has the same thing happened to me as in live poker

That's why I don't hesitate to shuffle

 

[Gritz18]

I agree with you, I've played a couple of big tournaments this week and the same cards like i had A4 i don't know how many times it was crazy! The last cardchats freeroll i played i got AA 4 times in 20 minutes and lost 3 out of the 4 times. That's me NOT complaining because lets be honest who would getting AA, but it's a bit suspect to me.. The chat was going mad at me for it too LOL and tbh who can blame them it's shocking!

The funny thing about this story is that I never got four straight pair of AA.

 

[Gallarado777]

In my spare time, I often like to review some tournaments I've played on Pokerstars, especially in tournaments that I didn't do very well.
And one thing has caught my attention, in the hands I'm getting when I'm playing.
I'm talking about repeating hands and cards, eg you get an A8, usually in the next hand you'll repeat one of the cards or the A or the 8. And sometimes you'll repeat the whole hand, it happened yesterday when I was playing the freeroll $100 Cardaschat, I was dealt the same hand three times in a row, as shown in the photo below.
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Just look at the date and time to see that I'm not lying. This took place in the same tournament.

In the case below I have four hands in a row with the J card, all in the same tournament and in sequence, just look at the time and date.
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I want to make it clear that I'm not complaining about having so many bad hands in a row, but trying to understand this Pokerstars shuffle where they claim to be the most reliable and innovative in the world like in the video below. Leave your opinion, thank you.

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I can say one thing, my opponents always have a higher hand than mine, I don’t know why if they give me an ace with a queen, he also has a king with an ace at that moment, and so almost every 80% of the distribution of hands is very difficult to play on one luck, so sometimes my friend is poker here you will never know the truth there is a theory that pokerstars was captured by bots but this is a theory there are a lot of videos on YouTube you can watch

 

[Roman933]

Agree about the bots. I don’t ay pokerstars but I have noticed a similar thing with ACR and Coinpoker. AJ three times in a row. KK several times in a short period. Also, sooooo many times I will just have a long run of same hand twice in a row. When that happens i start to expect it. I know that’s anecdotal and not proof, but still weird.

 

[whitetailbuck10]

Just to play devils advocate here.
Is there any advantage for PS (or any other site) to not be 100% random?
I guess if they let the little guy or new guy win a bit he is more apt to spend Money on the site, but is it worth the risk for the site to jeopardize their name.
VERY VERY interesting find non the less in your chart and it certainly makes a person wonder?!?!?!

 

[Acechador]

More than distrusting the shuffle, I distrust the favoritism that the platform can give to players with loose style game, I have realized that many loose style players end up winning with a lousy hand.

 

[mina271]

I think topics like this will happen again and again and it's clear to me that such things happen less often in live poker, but they also happen there. Anything that can happen in online poker can also happen in live poker. The difference between live poker and online poker is that many more hands are played online at the same time and therefore the probability that such things might happen is a bit higher. But I also think to take a more critical look at it you need a lot more hands to compare and then it stays for me it has still not been proven that something is wrong with the distribution of the cards. But it is up to everyone to think of their own and to decide whether to trust or distrust. Should I decide to distrust then I stop playing poker online that's how easy it is for me.

 

[wavetune]

I wanted to somehow copy the history of my hands, but unfortunately I didn't, where for 20 hands, 6 of them is 6 2, it's already abnormal in fact, when hands are repeated like that

 

[greenlarrow]

Yes, quite, of course there are still those trips

 

[offshore11000]

I believe that complaining about the shuffling of cards is like complaining about the ball or field in a football game. I think shuffling is the same for everyone. lol

 

[ga25x]

Absolutely not... Actually, i trust nobody. Even can't trust myself

 

[Tato Ivan]

Sometimes you get only garbage for an hour of the tournament. And you have to dodge in order to at least somehow increase or save your stack.

 

[tihomir_kula]

I trust. Simply have no choice.

 

[dregan]

There is no shuffling as such in online poker. A random distribution program is running. And you do not have those repetitions about which you write. The color of the cards is different.

 

[EnzoRS94]

Well, we have to. I think

 

[TeUnit]

One tourney is not an adequate sample size to determine anything. I seriously doubt that PS is rigged, if it was somebody with a hud and a large sample size would have proven it long ago.

 

[Gritz18]

I think people don't read the entire topic or don't read it at all and keep giving answers that have nothing to do with it, they totally run away from the content.
First of all, I'm not complaining, because I get bad hands, I just commented on the repetition of some hands and cards.
Second, it wasn't just one tournament, I've been noticing this for some time now. I have a file of over 10,000 hands played on Pokerstars this year alone.
Thirdly, I never said that Pokerstars is manipulated.
Fourth, I'm not saying that Pokerstars favors any player.
I just wanted to share with you this question and coincidence of some hands and cards being repeated so often, with Pokerstars praising their system of generating random card numbers.

 

[puzzlefish]

You can have short-term patterns appearing in randomness. It's one thing for something to be completely random and another to always get dissimilar starting cards. Sometimes the latter is actually considered non-random, because then it is a requirement that the next two hole cards can never be the same as the current hole cards. Likewise, same applies for getting the same two cards three times in a row.

With that in mind, look at your screenshots. You aren't even getting the same cards several times in a row. For example, with the 85 series you have diamond-clubs, spade-hearts, and club-spades. There's not a single repeating suit, so actually all the cards are different and you are just noticing repeating ranks. Whether what you're seeing means something or not is up to you to decide my friend.

 

[Gritz18]

With that in mind, look at your screenshots. You aren't even getting the same cards several times in a row. For example, with the 85 series you have diamond-clubs, spade-hearts, and club-spades. There's not a single repeating suit, so actually all the cards are different and you are just noticing repeating ranks. Whether what you're seeing means something or not is up to you to decide my friend.

I understand what you mean, but I think it's very coincidental that I receive three hands, in different suits but the same numbers in consecutive hands.

 

[puzzlefish]

I understand what you mean, but I think it's very coincidental that I receive three hands, in different suits but the same numbers in consecutive hands.

It's close to 1 in a million for this to happen in three hands, but over 100 hands it will be 3 in a 100'000, over 1000 hands it will be 3 in 10'000, and so on until eventually it isn't so unlikely that you see it. You'll see a lot of weird things if you look close enough, but they all have a probability of showing up.

My math is very ballpark and I had to edit it already for being wrong, so don't go by my numbers necessarily.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Your samplesize of getting the same card 4 times in a row or the same hand 3 times in a row in one tournament means nothing. and anyway, i would concentrate on the things that really matters. the jack for example not even had the same colour and im not sure what answers you are expecting. If you play a game like poker be prepared for anything

Sure one or another "riggie" will show up to confirm your observations since they are lurking hard in the poker rooms section of the forum.

 

[Alexey Shley]

I don't think that online rooms are spinning up giveaways. The same situation can happen in offline poker. Why doesn't anyone say that they were given AA twice in a row first or KK three times in a row. I had such a thing that first they distributed KK then JJ then KK, anything can be. If the dispersion is on your side, you will win cans with garbage hands, if the variance is against you, then AA will be dealt at least ten times, you will still lose.

 

[0546474]

Do you think this trend of the same cards affects only you or does it affect all players??? If this trend continues for all players, then there are no problems, everyone is in the same conditions