The AQ set up on Full Tilt

[DoubleAA80]

loopy freaks

sites being rigged is a joke. not that there werent some neat hacks that happened but rigging is a joke. a RNG can generate so many different outcomes that its almost infinite., Some rooms use more sophisticated ones so the outcome is more"realistic". but whos to say if they are, no stats

 

[slycbnew]

did i miss the memo?

Skim this: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...s-46/online-poker-rigged-investigation-70058/

 

[SavagePenguin]

Post a PokerTracker or HEM graph of your A/Q hands.
It'd be interesting to see how many times your A/Q came up against A/K in a 30k or so hand sample.

Trying to figure it out, each time you have A/Q I figure that each opponent has a 1 in 87.5 chance of having A/K.

Against 8 other players, that's one out of 11.

The problem is, you only see a showdown when he hits the board, and most of the time that means he has you beat.

 

[soncheebs]

Some people might get offended by some of these comments, like I initially was. The more I read through the responses though, I realized that I actually did gain something from this so I don't regret my post, even though apparently I am an idiot now on here and I suck at poker. Funny thing is this doesn't bother me, because I needed this so I could realize that this is just another example of how you can look at one single situation in poker a hundred different ways, and gain something from each experience. What is kind of ironic is that it wasn't the hundreds of trials of jamming with AQ, but the feedback from you guys after I posted about my idiotic experiment, that has taught me my biggest lesson for the week. Fold AQ more.

Lol thanks cardschat.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Nice.

fwiw I never said, nor do I think, you are and idiot. You seem like a reasonable guy who reached an unreasonable conclusion based on a faulty experiment. +1 to folding AQ more when you get 3bet.

 

[JLtrooper]

I honestly don't see how you can justify a 4bet shove with AQ, especially if it puts you all in or for most of your stack. Why is this even a discussion again?

 

[RoyalFish]

There's a reason why the WPT calls the AQ the doomed hand. Not another hand has busted out players more than it.

Ya know, it's funny, I was looking at my stats the other day. AQ, believe it or not, is a hole for me. At least AQo. If I just folded every AQ I'd ever been dealt, I'd double my win rate. Yes, obviously I'm screwing something up badly. I'm working on that. ;-) Actually, I noticed last night, so made a point of being less stupid with AQ today and made 0.65 BB/hand with AQs and 1.86 BB/hand with AQo today. Maybe I got that one patched. :icon_thum:

Anyway, my stats from Full Tilt 2nl, 5nl, 10nl.

AQs: 72 (win 50, no play 2, lose* 30)
AQo: 181 times (win 84, no play 17, lose the rest).

* lose can mean I was in the blind and folded it

(Hmm...mental note, it's not that I lose with AQ, it's that I lose too much with it when I play and lose. My biggest loss is 3x my biggest win with it, but one was 5nl, one 10nl, so really 1.5x bigger.)

Poker Stove says AK vs AQ is 71.3/24.1/4.6

It's too late to crawl through the DB and see what hands I was actually up against, but just based on the above, I'm pretty confident it's not a hand that has me dominated most of the time. As stated above, when someone plays back aggressively, they tend to have something decent. It's selection bias.

RF

 

[soncheebs]

I honestly don't see how you can justify a 4bet shove with AQ, especially if it puts you all in or for most of your stack. Why is this even a discussion again?

LOL,

Are you trying to get your posts up or are you too lazy to read and figure out this thread isnt about justifying AQ as a jam hand.

 

[c9h13no3]

I honestly don't see how you can justify a 4bet shove with AQ, especially if it puts you all in or for most of your stack. Why is this even a discussion again?

Just because I like being a dick...

You can 4-bet shove for 1 buy in with AQs profitably if your opponent 3-bets at a rate of 9% or more. And that 9% comes up more than people think in shorthanded & heads up situations.

 

[JLtrooper]

It was like clockwork, I would raise with my AQ, get reraised, and just out of curiousity (and the fact that I was playing well under my normal limits, I started to push all in, not because it was the right play but because I truly wanted to see if it could keep happening. Sure enough, AK, AK, the occasional 3 way pot but none the less someone with AK. A few times I got lucky and paired my queen or pulled the straight but none the less, out of the 81 times that I have held AQ, since I've kept track, 50 times I have shown down against AK, and I'm geussing that more of those occasions would have had the same result but I got my opponent to fold preflop or after blanking on the flop got my villain holding AK to fold.

To sum things up, be careful out there, this happens to my brother who plays on Tilt also, quite frequently.

Either way I am baffled by it...and I think I've seen enough of it to stop letting my curiousity get the best of me.

Sounds like it to me.

 

[JEP712]

If you do get called with a shove, it's almost always a pocket XX or AX. Maybe that's why the AQ/AK thing is getting to you. A personal thing on my end is always me having AJ, and someone flipping over AQ.

 

[NBA2K10ROCKETS]

Skim this: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...s-46/online-poker-rigged-investigation-70058/

interesting thanks for the link it was very educational.