Am I the Only Player Left that Prefers Full Tilt?

[RamdeeBen]

i think its a lousy idea. its only any good for gamblers and removes the skill element of the game.

Why is this a bad thing?

 

[skrsh76]

This argument has to be split between software or the tournaments / tables

I might be wrong but FT software is better. You are able to save your favorites with any different combinations and access it quickly. But that is not possible in PS. But if it comes to tablets FT don't even have a full fledged App.

When it comes to tournaments & tables of course PS is miles ahead with the volume they have the variety they have because they have the customers for it.

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

i think its a lousy idea. its only any good for gamblers and removes the skill element of the game.

Not having skilled opponents is a HUGE advantage...

Not to mention, as my original point was, it's something else to attract new players. You want to just get stuck with other regs every single time?

 

[DrazaFFT]

He just want his raises to be respected
I have never tried adrenaline rush, i have also read some discussion here about how it lovers someones edge over the opponents, probably he read it too and now sharing it here....

tre reason i didnt try it is that im surely waste some money till i adjust to such a game and my BR is little to fragile for that...

 

[Poker Orifice]

i think its a lousy idea. its only any good for gamblers and removes the skill element of the game.

Don't see the problem....

 

[Poker Orifice]

another thing I like about FTP.. the 'player note' thingy is much better than Stars. Way better to be able to have it detach from the table instead of having it tied in with other stuff (can also keep notebox open if you want... which imo helps alot if &/or when you're wanting to make notes on a player after the hand (or during, etc.).. especially if you have a bunch of other games running. (I do like it that you can use a billion different colours for labelling on Stars though)

 

[Keith_MM]

so you have a zero sum game against the others regs and the fish go broke rapidly and their isnt the traffic to replace them . This leads to the rake then crushing/obliterating winrates when you just have regs playing. you don't see the problem with that?

another thing I like about FTP.. the 'player note' thingy is much better than Stars. Way better to be able to have it detach from the table instead of having it tied in with other stuff (can also keep notebox open if you want... which imo helps alot if &/or when you're wanting to make notes on a player after the hand (or during, etc.).. especially if you have a bunch of other games running. (I do like it that you can use a billion different colours for labelling on Stars though)

why not just use the note feature in your tacking software though and gain the benefit of having notes available when doing hand reviews and being able to ad to those notes in that process.

 

[Keith_MM]

Not having skilled opponents is a HUGE advantage...

Not to mention, as my original point was, it's something else to attract new players. You want to just get stuck with other regs every single time?

so what would you call this then .

that doesn't look a fish laden pool of players to me or attracting new players in. looks likely to be a reg infested game with players losing to the rake.

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

so what would you call this then .

that doesn't look a fish laden pool of players to me or attracting new players in. looks likely to be a reg infested game with players losing to the rake.

I think you're missing the point... it's a known fact that poker rooms are struggling to get new players. Adrenaline Rush is a new idea, not surprising that the numbers aren't huge right now.

Not to mention... time of day, day of week, play a part in how many players are on. Full Tilt regular Rush player pools are pretty low sometimes. They need to generate traffic... that is the point.

Secondly, I'm not suggesting that you or I should play adrenaline Rush. I'm suggesting that it's exciting for new/recreational players, and could help attract them to the site. Sooner or later a percentage of them would find the other games, tourney's etc.

It's about getting new players to the site, not populating Adrenaline Rush games.

 

[Keith_MM]

You're missing the point.Any new players trying adrenaline ARE going to rapidly bust their roll. There will be no excitement in it , they won't get an evenings entertainment out of it , they will just assume that online poker is rigged and be put off deposititing again elsewhere. That is bad for poker as a whole.

If they do redeposit they are likely to head back to stars,party,888 or ipoker and play standard rush like games or ring games there where they can make that deposit last for a couple of days.

How have 888, party and ipoker grown their traffic recently ? they have targetted the recreationals by making it less advantageous for regs to play . Whether its by segregating off the skillfull players in party's case so that the recreationals can play against a weaker player base , or reducing the rewards paid back to players , making the lobby player friendly, adding webcams to the tables to make it more of a social experience in 888's case. Ipoker have gone for a micx of the two by attempting to seperate off the regs and recs with the ipoker1 and 2 models which means that the "good" deals are more likely to be regs and they are forced to grind out results against each other whilst the other side is primarily aimed at the sites who are generating the new players through advertising, or moving players across from their sports betting platforms etc . THere are still "good" deals to be had on the recreational side of Ipoker if you know where to look . The net effect of these sites is that recs money lasts longer and the benefit from the sites point of view is that as it last longer it gets raked more so a higher proportion ends up in the sites pocket and the player is happy to redeposit for his entertainment than in adrenaline rush where the fish (ooops Rec player) busts his roll quickly and never returns. site rakes very little of it and has to hope that the regs will keep playing that money to get it raked rather than withdrawing it .

For stars , rescuing Full tilt was a calculated gamble . without it , they would have had a very difficult time gaining access to the US market in the future. Even with the rescue they are struggling to get access which confirms how difficult it would have been with out them rescuing so many americans bankrolls. The payment for FTP may appear to be money down the drain , however it confirmed the relibability of stars in players eyes and maintains them in the dominant market position making the moneey they paid for it look small change. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years time poker has stopped at Full tilt and Full tilt will become a sole casino arm of the company and stars will be the poker side. Linking accounts makes it easy for money to be moved from one side to the other and in client marketing will be a cheap form of targetted advertising.

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

You're missing the point.Any new players trying adrenaline ARE going to rapidly bust their roll. There will be no excitement in it , they won't get an evenings entertainment out of it , they will just assume that online poker is rigged and be put off deposititing again elsewhere. That is bad for poker as a whole.

I don't know what to tell you.. I simply can't disagree with that more.

Have you never been to a casino before? 100's upon 100's of people lining up to throw some dollars into a slot machine, and probably loose, just like the dozens, if not hundreds of time they've done it before...

That's the very nature of recreational gaming. People want to spin $20 or $50 or $100, whatever they can afford, and try to get lucky. It's exciting for them.

 

[Keith_MM]

if its such a great idea why isn't the lobby full of those recreational players then?why are all the recreational players preferring to stay at stars ,888, ipoker and party? They don't understand the math , all they think is that the game is rigged when their better pocket cards keep getting beaten and it turns them off internet poker.
Or they try adrenaline and bust rapidly and think that they can usually play all night for that amount they just lost rapidly at one of the other sites. Either way it is NOT going to persuade them to stay at Full Tilt when they can get more entertainment for the $ elsewhere.

 

[tignutz]

I miss it so much I still play for play chips on that site. its a great program

 

[torosanti012]

really enjoy playing at full tilt, don't really know why but i think it has somethign to do with the texture and what it looks like and i'm just used to it i guess! Full tilt ftw!

 

[Gorak]

I like the Full Tilt software better than pokerstars.

One thing I really dislike about PokerStars is their tournament lobbies. They only show the top 100 players with their chip stacks. I understand it would be an additional burden on the servers to show them all in big tourneys but still it could be done I think.

On Full Tilt, I just tried Adrenaline Rush and it is not a fun game. Players rarely fold once involved in a hand, so you are going to end up allin almost every time.

As for the tournament schedule, I liked the flagship tourneys they had and their Country freerolls. I would play other games once involved in a tournament. They also removed the 90 men SnG that was paying 18 spots (I loved that game).

Basically Full Tilt removed everything I was playing there so I moved to PokerStars.

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

if its such a great idea why isn't the lobby full of those recreational players then?why are all the recreational players preferring to stay at stars ,888, ipoker and party? They don't understand the math , all they think is that the game is rigged when their better pocket cards keep getting beaten and it turns them off internet poker.
Or they try adrenaline and bust rapidly and think that they can usually play all night for that amount they just lost rapidly at one of the other sites. Either way it is NOT going to persuade them to stay at Full Tilt when they can get more entertainment for the $ elsewhere.

Ok now you're just being argumentative for the sake of arguing.

But for fun I'll respond.

Adrenaline Rush is new, whether it won't work, or to what degree it will work is unknown. But the logic of trying new things to attract NEW players stands regardless.

That said, from what I can tell, the traffic at FT is growing.. just slowly. It seems more active to me now than it did a few months ago.

Secondly, this game needs NEW.... I say again... NEW NEW NEW players. You keep thinking like a poker player, trying to attract other poker players. That isn't what I'm talking about.

Do I play Adrenaline Rush? No, of course I don't. I mean I tried it out.. but I don't want to play it. But I can see how it could attract NEW players.

I don't buy lotto, play craps, slot machines, blackjack, or partake in sports betting either.. but I think all those things can attract NEW players to a site, and the game.

In fact, I even have some moral issue with many of those things, and I'm not sure that I support adding them to any poker site from a moral perspective, but I can't help but see the logic in using them to attract new players.

You said it yourself... gamblers are the only type of people that will like Adrenaline Rush... exactly!!

 

[Macaroon]

The On-Demand tourneys, at least at Microstakes level, are incredibly soft. If you play low buy-in events then you would be a fool not to try them out.

OK, I'll try one. But it seemed to me that they last an inordinately long time. I'll let you know how I get on!

 

[Keith_MM]

Don't make the mistake of looking at somebodies post count and equating that to somebodies poker experience. I'm a MOD at both flopturnriver and crushonlineholdem.This post by the current forum manager at FTR shows why i was promoted

Keith is an extremely valuable member. So much so, that I have recommended moving him to mod my old forum when I became Manager here. His quality in what he knows about other poker sites and willingness to share that info is awesome. He also has done some serious detective work finding scams and rip offs has helped us a ton.

A similar mistake was made in this post

He just want his raises to be respected
I have never tried adrenaline rush, i have also read some discussion here about how it lovers someones edge over the opponents, probably he read it too and now sharing it here....

He didn't know me but he thinks its fine to insult someone who is new to the site with that first line thinking it funny and satisfying his inferiority complex by putting others down.It probably indicates why you are both stuck at 2nl. You fail to consider the implications of what others are saying just as you fail to take note of what your opponents are telling with how they play their hands.

The problem that full tilt has is that there is no reason for players to play there and adrenaline rush will not help that. In the past they had the decent fixed rakeback, TRAFFIC and fast software. They have lost the traffic , the fixed rakeback has gone and the software stood still. Anyone looking for a high rakeback deal is going to be playing at ipoker or microgaming.anyone looking for traffic is going to be playing at stars, ipoker or party. anyone looking for a social experience will be playing on 888 with the webcam tables etc.

Recreationals will be heading to stars with the big advertising budget, ipoker via there bookies or 888 with their social gambling bias through bingo etc.Full Tilt just doesn't have any reason/attraction to persaude people to play there.
Why do you find it so hard to understand that a game that doesn't appeal to you (as you just admitted in your previous post) isn't going to attract the vast proportion of other poker players.

For a site to break through they need traffic to attract further customers and in the abscense of other attractions to drive the traffic growth , Full tilt are going to continue to struggle. At the end of the day Full tilt are still associated with the old management and the fact that they almost stole players bankrolls.if players are grateful to stars for rescuing Full tilt they are showing it by playing at Stars , not by moving back to full tilt.

 

[Keith_MM]

duplicate post

 

[DrazaFFT]

dear friend, the little green fellow at the end of that line refers that i was just fooling around actually watched the micros episode while i was posting...
Im not gonna even try to argue with you because after you first got challenged for your first post you have changed your points from ev related to poker industry related and i stopped reading, actually i would most probably skip this one too if i didn't saw my name....
Congrats on being a mod or respected member wherever but the act of being a forum online warrior by showing your strength shows not much maturity nor real insight on how forums or life works... in fact the need of responding to this in this mean way telling more about you than about me...

Im also respected member of one of the biggest MMA forums even made real life friends there which i would like here, there are some great friendly people here, anyway im a accomplished man in may areas, family, sport, job, have lot of hobies that include rc toys modeling photography... whether am i stucked at micros or not doesnt change my life much, does change yours to get respect from unknown random people?

I would love get respond in PM if possible not wanna spam the tread anymore, you are mod ya know what im saying

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

He didn't know me but he thinks its fine to insult someone who is new to the site with that first line thinking it funny and satisfying his inferiority complex by putting others down.It probably indicates why you are both stuck at 2nl. You fail to consider the implications of what others are saying just as you fail to take note of what your opponents are telling with how they play their hands.

Gotta love it when somebody criticizes another for what they perceive to be an insult, and those goes on to insult others by throwing around terms like inferiority complex, and "both stuck at 2NL". Like another poster has already said, says more about you than us.

Secondly, I'm no longer at 2NL.. and when I was, I was there by choice. I've also been playing for years, and this also is not my first poker forum. Not even close, but it was time for a change and so far the community here is better suited to my wants than any other.

Which brings me to my next point. I would invite you to return to flopturnriver where you are apparently more comfortable. Because if you think you can come here and push your OPINION over other's OPINIONS because you think you have a better resume.. think again.

I won't be posting my history and resume here. Mostly because it's pointless and lame. It's a game, not the meaning of life itself.

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

OK, I'll try one. But it seemed to me that they last an inordinately long time. I'll let you know how I get on!

For sure, let me know what you think.

Seem to me it's usually only an hour or so til the money... Never more than a couple hours if you go all the way.

 

[Keith_MM]

Which brings me to my next point. I would invite you to return to flopturnriver where you are apparently more comfortable. Because if you think you can come here and push your OPINION over other's OPINIONS because you think you have a better resume.. think again.

its not me who keeps changing the focus of the discussion. You make the assertion that Adrenaline will attract in new players . I just showed that the adrenaline pool is small and reg laden and a zero sum game and gave the reasons why full tilt are struggling to attract traffic because there is no reason for players to move there whether they are recreational or regs. My resume doesn't make my points more or less valid . my points stand on their on merit and I can't see where you have shown them to be faulty. If Adrenaline was such an attraction for new players why has ftp traffic been steadily reducing since its introduction on Jan 8th , so last 1/3 of this pokerscout 6month traffic graph despite your claims that there seems to be better traffic.

 

[Creepy Jackalope]

its not me who keeps changing the focus of the discussion. You make the assertion that Adrenaline will attract in new players . I just showed that the adrenaline pool is small and reg laden and a zero sum game and gave the reasons why full tilt are struggling to attract traffic because there is no reason for players to move there whether they are recreational or regs. My resume doesn't make my points more or less valid . my points stand on their on merit and I can't see where you have shown them to be faulty. If Adrenaline was such an attraction for new players why has ftp traffic been steadily reducing since its introduction on Jan 8th , so last 1/3 of this pokerscout 6month traffic graph despite your claims that there seems to be better traffic.

Ok I'm not sure what your damage is exactly.. but my point was never that Adrenaline WILL attract new players. Maybe go over my posts in this thread again. I don't know if it's going to help or not, I only said that it strikes me as a good idea as an ATTEMPT to do so.

I'm all for trying other things too...

As for your graphs (and I honestly can't believe you've taken it anywhere near this far lol), The 6 month one appears to me to spike at about the point you say Adrenaline was released...

Even so, I don't think you can tell in 2-3 months if it's working wonders or not to attract new players. I agree you could have an idea, but we don't have a way to know that.

Even if overall traffic took a dip, for all we know 60% or whatever number of that players that are there are "new players" and checked out FT because if Adrenaline. We have no way to know that unless FT releases the information.

I've never asserted anywhere that I think Adrenaline Poker is great to play, or that it's a long term +EV game or anything of the sort. Simply that it's a creative and new option to help attract new players. End of story.

Jeez.

 

[BigJamo]

I like the Full Tilt software better than PokerStars.
I liked the flagship tourneys they had and their Country freerolls. I would play other games once involved in a tournament. They also removed the 90 men SnG that was paying 18 spots (I loved that game).

These were great fun & the Country Freeroll is what started it all for me. I will always prefer Tilt & only went to Pokerstars when Tilt folded. I think Stars is over-rated & their Lobby is very cluttered. It took me a lot longer to get the feel for poker stars & I still dont like it. I will continue to play there & hopefullt feel just as comfortable as I do @ Full Tilt.

Never more than a couple hours if you go all the way.

DAMN :five: