No online poker for the state of Florida, USA

[Shells]

It's not for the lack of trying but the state of Florida legislature had squashed any hopes of online poker.

The Seminole Tribe had presented a proposal to the state after giving some hope to online poker, however, the Florida State legislature squashed the negotiations and dismissed the proposal.

Back to the drawing board for Florida!

Online Poker Removed From Seminole Compact Legislative Discussions in Florida

 

[woodeng]

It amazes me how FL can legalize pot but will not legalize online poker . . . go figure.

 

[Shells]

And it's not even online poker but online gambling, etc.

'The body's decision to remove any chance of online poker, or other forms of online casino gambling, came as the first order of business during a week-long, special session designed to debate the terms of a proposed 30-year compact deal reached last month between the Seminole Tribe and the office of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.'

 

[wagon596]

Yea, we live in the land of the free here in the USA,,, Right... It just makes me appreciate ACR, BOL etc. more!

 

[TheNutz4You]

that sucks to hear . im blessed to live in Michigan with legal online poker now. sry 2 hear this for you guys in FL.

 

[Alizona]

The Communistwealth of Massachusetts is also still waiting for our State Legislature to get off its corrupt rear ends and pass some online poker legislation.

We finally got brick-and-mortar casinos in Massachusetts shortly prior to the COVID world shutdown (and our poker rooms are STILL closed, the poker tables are locked in some storage room)... usually the next step after brick and mortar is online sites who must partner with the brick and mortars... however our casino deal was awarded to Wynn (called Encore Boston Harbor), and Wynn is notorious for NOT catering to the little guys, Wynn only wants to deal with the high roller crowd, they don't like or appreciate us blue-collar workers, us grinders who take up all the parking spots in their too-small parking garage... LOL

I don't expect we'll have online poker in the Communistwealth any time soon... but it's even more ironic than that... we don't have sports betting yet either, and yet, one of the largest Sports Betting outfits (Draft Kings) has its corporate headquarters right here in Massachusetts. Talk about a comedy skit... sports betting corporation can't even operate in their home state, and they don't seem to care about pushing the politicians to get 'er done... what a total joke America is...

 

[TeUnit]

The sovereign nation seems to be a powerful lobby, look at WA state and their stance on online gaming in a state with legal weed and a large number of land based casinos.

 

[DS3]

Hardly surprising when considering the governor and the state of politics in Florida. In a general sense if a state is run by Republicans it is generally going to be an uphill struggle to get laws changed.

Its particularly farcical in Florida where you have 82 brick and mortar casinos already. It has the third highest state population and online poker would generate some serious revenues for the state

 

[Sergei 9417]

Hello
I don't know much about political twists and turns, but I think it is more profitable for any government to legalize gambling and get additional income from tax than to spend money on bans, now in Russia many payment systems associated with poker rooms have been blocked, the answer was not long in coming in messengers there were proposals for I myself did not make a micro deposit through them, but people do and withdraw a little for the service, hence the question: “What have you achieved?” So I think that it is more profitable to allow than to prohibit, especially since it is a waste of time. games, but it won't stop me from playing poker ha ha ha

 

[Alizona]

Hardly surprising when considering the governor and the state of politics in Florida. In a general sense if a state is run by Republicans it is generally going to be an uphill struggle to get laws changed.

Its particularly farcical in Florida where you have 82 brick and mortar casinos already. It has the third highest state population and online poker would generate some serious revenues for the state

I would bet good money that the Republicans and Governor had nothing to do with the removal of the online poker part of the bill... that reeks of a concession to those brick-and-mortars who I imagine do NOT want online poker competing with their live casinos. Think about it - if we can play poker in our underwear at any time of the day or night, why would we want to put on clothes and drive to a casino? LOL I'm trying to be funny but I'm also being totally serious. Casinos do NOT want online poker, which is why this entire plan of regulating it state by state is absurd and a joke. America is a joke, that's the bottom line. Land of the Free, meanwhile we're banned from poker stars by our own government? What kind of BS are they foisting on us peons? The usual BS, it never ends...

 

[Shells]

I would bet good money that the Republicans and Governor had nothing to do with the removal of the online poker part of the bill... that reeks of a concession to those brick-and-mortars who I imagine do NOT want online poker competing with their live casinos. Think about it - if we can play poker in our underwear at any time of the day or night, why would we want to put on clothes and drive to a casino? LOL I'm trying to be funny but I'm also being totally serious. Casinos do NOT want online poker, which is why this entire plan of regulating it state by state is absurd and a joke. America is a joke, that's the bottom line. Land of the Free, meanwhile we're banned from Poker Stars by our own government? What kind of BS are they foisting on us peons? The usual BS, it never ends...

Much of what you have stated makes complete sense and I have personally thought a lot the same as far as brick and mortar possibly blocking the online poker. Money talks, right?!

If there is money to be made from online poker (or online casinos in general) and without looking into the topic more, why wouldn't the brick and mortars consider jumping on the 'online poker' train? I had wondered this about the Vegas casinos. I get they have the hotels they want to fill at a premium, which I do not believe will ever slow down (in normal times) and they want butts in chairs on the casino floor, but why not invest a little into a market that could be all theirs for the state(s)?

(just thinking out loud)

 

[DS3]

I would bet good money that the Republicans and Governor had nothing to do with the removal of the online poker part of the bill... that reeks of a concession to those brick-and-mortars who I imagine do NOT want online poker competing with their live casinos. Think about it - if we can play poker in our underwear at any time of the day or night, why would we want to put on clothes and drive to a casino? LOL I'm trying to be funny but I'm also being totally serious. Casinos do NOT want online poker, which is why this entire plan of regulating it state by state is absurd and a joke. America is a joke, that's the bottom line. Land of the Free, meanwhile we're banned from Poker Stars by our own government? What kind of BS are they foisting on us peons? The usual BS, it never ends...

I agree with you in the sense that a heavy weight player such as Sheldon Adelson with his money influenced things on national scale- he did not want online competition (and as a billionaire was one of the largest donors to the Republican Party and Trump).

But in Florida I do not think the casinos have that same clout - I believe six (at a max) are owned by one group The Seminole Tribe, but have no idea if the industry works together collectively. The implication would be that politicians are lining their pockets in one way or another. Much as I personally detest some Florida politicians, I do not actually think they are- it would be too obvious a scam.

Further, states such as New Jersey and Nevada have on line play now regardless of having a well established bricks and mortar gambling industry.

I have said for years it will be one state at a time and that will depend almost entirely on the politics.

 

[DS3]

Much of what you have stated makes complete sense and I have personally thought a lot the same as far as brick and mortar possibly blocking the online poker. Money talks, right?!

If there is money to be made from online poker (or online casinos in general) and without looking into the topic more, why wouldn't the brick and mortars consider jumping on the 'online poker' train? I had wondered this about the Vegas casinos. I get they have the hotels they want to fill at a premium, which I do not believe will ever slow down (in normal times) and they want butts in chairs on the casino floor, but why not invest a little into a market that could be all theirs for the state(s)?

(just thinking out loud)

However for several years the likes of Steve Wynn have stated that his hotels make more money from rooms, services provided, restaurants and leased space for retail than they do from gambling. The dynamic of visits to Las Vegas and gambling expenditure has changed dramatically over the last few decades.

If anything, it would benefit hotels to partner with online poker sites, to lobby to change laws and hopefully share future income streams. If anything it would grow their in house gambling business by attracting new customers online who would then visit the actual casinos to play live.

 

[Alizona]

However for several years the likes of Steve Wynn have stated that his hotels make more money from rooms, services provided, restaurants and leased space for retail than they do from gambling. The dynamic of visits to Las Vegas and gambling expenditure has changed dramatically over the last few decades.

If anything, it would benefit hotels to partner with online poker sites, to lobby to change laws and hopefully share future income streams. If anything it would grow their in house gambling business by attracting new customers online who would then visit the actual casinos to play live.

Ironically, we here in the Boston, Massachusetts, USA city were blessed with a brand new Wynn casino called "Encore Boston Harbor"...

...but sadly, our experience has been the worst experience possible. The casino has never embraced US poker players - quite the contrary actually. It has been like pulling teeth with the casino.

The Wynn casino was only open about six months before COVID happened and shut everything down. Yesterday, the casino announced that they won't be making a determination about bringing back the poker room until 2022. The State has finally removed the restrictions about hours of operation and masks and all that crap... but the Casino still refuses to give us our poker room back. I think many of us here anticipate the casino will NEVER bring back the poker room at all. They hate us poker players. We are cheapskates, we suck up the "free" drinks all day long, and we grinders take up all the parking spaces in the far-too-small parking garage... which is the main reason why the casino doesn't want our business. They would much rather fill those parking spaces with the slot machine players, since slot machines contribute far more to the casino's bottom line profit than poker does (slot machines are a huge rip off, if you play slots, please stop!!).

The bottom line for me is pretty easy - get the heck out of this piece of crap Communistwealth of Massachusetts and away from the stupid Wynn franchise. MA could not possibly have given the solitary casino license to a WORSE outfit than Wynn... ironically, Wynn Vegas is perhaps one of the best casino operators for poker players... but Wynn Encore Boston Harbor hates poker, and hates poker players. They have made it blatantly obvious.

 

[ekgbeat]

I just don't get this. They can have online sports betting, draft kings and the rest, but no online poker. I'm not sure how this makes sense, or why they would block this.

 

[Alizona]

I just don't get this. They can have online sports betting, draft kings and the rest, but no online poker. I'm not sure how this makes sense, or why they would block this.

Speaking as an American... there is very little here in America that makes sense to we Americans.

None of us get it either, but we're not running the show - evil greedy corrupted, compromised and co-opted mis-leaders are running the show. Perhaps that's a part of the problem? sigh

 

[DS3]

Ironically, we here in the Boston, Massachusetts, USA city were blessed with a brand new Wynn casino called "Encore Boston Harbor"...

...but sadly, our experience has been the worst experience possible. The casino has never embraced us poker players - quite the contrary actually. It has been like pulling teeth with the casino.

The Wynn casino was only open about six months before COVID happened and shut everything down. Yesterday, the casino announced that they won't be making a determination about bringing back the poker room until 2022. The State has finally removed the restrictions about hours of operation and masks and all that crap... but the Casino still refuses to give us our poker room back. I think many of us here anticipate the casino will NEVER bring back the poker room at all. They hate us poker players. We are cheapskates, we suck up the "free" drinks all day long, and we grinders take up all the parking spaces in the far-too-small parking garage... which is the main reason why the casino doesn't want our business. They would much rather fill those parking spaces with the slot machine players, since slot machines contribute far more to the casino's bottom line profit than poker does (slot machines are a huge rip off, if you play slots, please stop!!).

The bottom line for me is pretty easy - get the heck out of this piece of crap Communistwealth of Massachusetts and away from the stupid Wynn franchise. MA could not possibly have given the solitary casino license to a WORSE outfit than Wynn... ironically, Wynn Vegas is perhaps one of the best casino operators for poker players... but Wynn Encore Boston Harbor hates poker, and hates poker players. They have made it blatantly obvious.

Thanks for the specific update regarding the Wynn Casino in Boston.

That is very disappointing to hear. Just recently (for other reasons) I was watching some Steve Wynn interviews and he underlined they did not need the gambling. Now, he's a showman and I did not find what he was saying was credible...however...it was a peculiar tone to take. Regardless gamblers are an income stream but he seemed to have little problem dismissing the idea. I am sure in part it was to play up the hotelier/developer side to his business rather than 'casino owner' but it just felt like an odd pose to take.

 

[Alizona]

Thanks for the specific update regarding the Wynn Casino in Boston.

That is very disappointing to hear. Just recently (for other reasons) I was watching some Steve Wynn interviews and he underlined they did not need the gambling. Now, he's a showman and I did not find what he was saying was credible...however...it was a peculiar tone to take. Regardless gamblers are an income stream but he seemed to have little problem dismissing the idea. I am sure in part it was to play up the hotelier/developer side to his business rather than 'casino owner' but it just felt like an odd pose to take.

Yeah its an accurate take on Steve Wynn, who by the way, if you weren't aware, Steve Wynn was forced to step down due to some sexual misconduct legal dispute, he is no longer associated at all with the company that bears his name.

But your take on Wynn is accurate, it is quite well known here in MA (and in Vegas) that Wynn specifically has a corporate model of catering to (i.e. going after) the high-roller crowd. Wynn is a high class operation, they aren't interested in doing business with "the little guy", with the blue-collar crowd that likes to swear up a storm... knowwhatimean? Well Boston is a blue-collar city, that's who most of us are here... so to give the casino license to Wynn was almost like a stab in the back by our corrupt politicians who probably awarded it to whomever lined their pockets with the biggest bribe of course... if you ever want to learn about Massachusetts politics, read the life story of gangster "Whitey" Bulger and his "straight-laced" brother William Bulger who among other roles was the President of the Massachusetts Legislature. Yep, you read that right. BROTHERS. LMAO You couldn't make this story up, but it's real.

That's MA. And that's Wynn too. If you're rich and enjoy caviar, the Wynn is gonna treat you better than any King would be treated. But if you prefer Budweisers instead of $10,000-a-bottle French Champagne? Wynn wants nothing to do with you. Unless you play slots. Then come on down!!! LOL

 

[MTCashman]

Aww man, that sucks to see some states are taking steps backwards. Hopefully one day our American friends can play freely wherever they want.

 

[Uranus]

Ironic, USA expect that iranian people to get rid of their religious dictature.

But in their own country, US politicians behave the same with the leaders in Iran, dont care about the citizens will and make laws in their best interest.

 

[AKQ]

And it's not even online poker but online gambling, etc.

'The body's decision to remove any chance of online poker, or other forms of online casino gambling, came as the first order of business during a week-long, special session designed to debate the terms of a proposed 30-year compact deal reached last month between the Seminole Tribe and the office of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.'

IF we played pacman against eachother for money
technically its not gambling its a skill game in florida law

florida and people are retarded

 

[dukgen]

Hopefully, when smarter legislators exist in the future we may see online poker legalization across the country.