It's Official - Republican Platform anti Poker

[duggs]

you both realise that i stated 'you eat to sustain yourself'
and you reply 'eating is important i cant believe that you dont think eating is good'
'you eat to sustain yourself'
'some people are so closed minded, have fun not eating'

 

[fletchdad]

get off your soap box,

Irony?

 

[duggs]

kindly point to my soap box, yours ends in shameful

 

[fletchdad]

I vote,

kindly point to my soap box, yours ends in shameful

This is not our private mud throwing thread, so I will (try at least) to be done with this now.

It sounded to me like you (plural) were trying to convince readers that voting is a waste of time. I find that not only shameful, but stupid and irresponsible.

Then you state you vote.

/:end private hijack.

 

[hackmeplz]

fletchdad I hope for your sake you use your brain more when playing poker than you do in this thread or you're gonna be broke pretty soon.

 

[dan abnormal]

dang thought the republicans were about no govt and just welfare for the rich, and for woman to have no rights and want the poor to suffer even more and now POKER. Hmm they seem like socialist but the rich as the owners of the kingdom

 

[Debi]

I for one have enjoyed hearing all sides of the "to vote or not to vote" issue. I see validity on both sides of it. (But lean towards one side which I will not debate)

Don't take or make it personal. People get too worked up when debating politics.

State and debate your beliefs without taking or making personal offense.

If you can't do that then drop out of the discussion and let others carry on. I have enjoyed this thread and would love for all of you to continue your debate. Just remember what debate is - trying to convince others of the validity of your beliefs. That does involve believing you are right and trying to prove that their beliefs are not valid. It takes thick skin to handle that.

I am terrible at debating - especially politics. So I love it when people come along with ideas that I would love to know more about and debate it - with others lol.

 

[fletchdad]

Yea, I need to stay away from political discussion...... BUT it is hard.

Some insults are getting a bit childish, I guess there is a reason for that..

@ duggs If I remember correctly, I liked a number of other posts of yours that I liked, poker related and what not (Werent you the one who likes Zep?)

Lets agree to disagree and find other platforms to interact in. I didnt mean any disrespect, I simply dont agree with some of what you say. If I got out of line - which I dont think, but hey, maybe I did - then let it slide.

People shouldn't discuss if they cant take healthy opposition w/o getting stupidly insulting. And there is a difference in saying you think someone is defending a stupid position, and calling them stupid.

I will keep the rest to myself, to save Debi the PITA of deleting it.....

 

[duggs]

all im saying is that voting in the strictest sense is irrational in that we derive very little value from it, so we must derive utility from the act of voting itself rather than the consequences. That doesnt imply voting is futile or stupid and really shouldnt offend people.

maybe its my use of irrational but i mean it to say that a rational agent will always seek to maximize his utility subject to his contraints (usually time, money and resources) a perfectly rational agent wouldnt vote simply based on the expected return from voting is so small that is it outweighed by the opportunity cost of the time used.

fletch i have no issue with you obv seem like a nice guy.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

People actually pay to vote on reality tv talent shows, so there's obviously a lot of emotional utility in being able to cast a vote expressing your opinion. Much more so in choosing the next president than in getting your favorite singer to stay another week on the show.

With the restricted view you guys have of utility, most human activities are pointless.

 

[hackmeplz]

Most of my activities have a pretty direct impact on my own life. Obviously if I got to choose the next President I'd do it but having a 1/100000000000000000000 chance of choosing the next President doesn't rank that high on my list of things to do. Even if I sleep in an extra hour I think that generally will have a more positive impact on my life than voting. That said, I've mentioned before but I will be voting this year because I can vote absentee and won't have to worry about waiting up to 3 hours just to cast my vote.

 

[plainluck]

Why would we want a mormon running the country...He wants war and yet had 5 sons....not one went into armed forces.....I know people who got hurt in wars. It isnt fair to expect it from the rest but not do his part.

ohhh they were on missions....My son worked for a mormon for 5 years.....worked his azz off with low pay....well he got out of there and is now doing less work for more money.....what he is worth

They have a knack for taking care of their own and heck with the rest......and we want that running the country??? ok sorry for venting....going back in my box

They were saying the same thing about JFK because he was the first Catholic. Everyone thought he would be run by the Vatican. Just pray that if Obama gets in again, that he is a Christian and not a closet Muslim, as many people say, because it will probably show up in a second term.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

They were saying the same thing about JFK because he was the first Catholic. Everyone thought he would be run by the Vatican. Just pray that if Obama gets in again, that he is a Christian and not a closet Muslim, as many people say, because it will probably show up in a second term.

There are two huge differences between JFK's religion and Romney's.

First, JFK was a catholic, but he was not a priest. Romney is (was?) a mormon bishop.

Second, mormonism is a fraud. (*) It's a lot less obvious for catholicism. If you don't believe in them, you can say that Jesus and Paul were probably delusional, but that's a long way from being obvious crooks like Joseph Smith.

When it comes to Obama being a closet muslim, you seriously need to stop watching Fox news, imo.



(*) if you're not convinced, look up the book of Abraham

 

[BelgoSuisse]

They were saying the same thing about JFK because he was the first Catholic. Everyone thought he would be run by the Vatican. Just pray that if Obama gets in again, that he is a Christian and not a closet Muslim, as many people say, because it will probably show up in a second term.

Also, if you mistrust Islam as your post suggests, you need to realize that Mormonism and Islam have huge similarities. Joseph Smith receiving the book of Mormon translation from God is almost an exact copycat of Muhamad receiving the Coran from Allah. Moroni visiting Joseph Smith is a copycat of the angel Gabriel visiting Muhamad. Both rely heavily on the judeo-christian tradition as the basis for their sacred text. Both encourage polygamy. The list goes on...

 

[hackmeplz]

There are two huge differences between JFK's religion and Romney's.

First, JFK was a catholic, but he was not a priest. Romney is (was?) a mormon bishop.

Second, mormonism is a fraud. (*) It's a lot less obvious for catholicism. If you don't believe in them, you can say that Jesus and Paul were probably delusional, but that's a long way from being obvious crooks like Joseph Smith.

I'm probably gonna get some heat for this comment, but I don't think anyone who is religious at all is fit to hold public office. Religion is literally believing something without proof. If you want to believe in that in your private life I'm not going to stop you. But when you hold public office the decisions and conclusions you make matter a lot. So if you are basing some of your decisions based on the belief that there is a man in the sky, what else will you base decisions on? Will you have that "gut feeling" that the leader of a country is truthful and make military decisions based on that? Having logic and proof that support decisions you make is important in good decision-making, so someone who is overly religious just simply is not fit to be making important decisions that impact the lives of hundreds of millions of people.

When it comes to Obama being a closet muslim, you seriously need to stop watching Fox news, imo.

+1

 

[plainluck]

Also, if you mistrust Islam as your post suggests, you need to realize that Mormonism and Islam have huge similarities. Joseph Smith receiving the book of Mormon translation from God is almost an exact copycat of Muhamad receiving the Coran from Allah. Moroni visiting Joseph Smith is a copycat of the angel Gabriel visiting Muhamad. Both rely heavily on the judeo-christian tradition as the basis for their sacred text. Both encourage polygamy. The list goes on...

Would you please show me where Mormonism says "Kill all infidels"? (That's us.)

 

[Tonawanda]

Which One?

When it comes to Obama being a closet muslim, you seriously need to stop watching Fox news, imo.

I must of missed that show.

 

[Tonawanda]

Issues Are What Count

I had 3 interesting discussions this week with extended family members. What was interesting was that the issues seemed to be secondary to name calling, anger, insults and exaggerated claims for and against their guy.After convincing them to discuss their own personal positions (one at a time), it turned out they were far less combative and actually somewhat understanding and tolerant of each other's. Of course, getting them to agree on which candidate better represented their positions, or was the better choice, was another matter.
The following is a very brief summary of mine.

1. Control/Reduce Federal Debt - Dedicated National SalesTax
Balanced BudgetAmendment - Across the board tax increases

2. Control/Reduce the size and scope of the Federalgovernment

3. Control/Reduce Entitlements - Welfare, Food Stamps &Fraud
Reform SocialSecurity, Medicare and Medicaid

4. Immigration reform - Limited Amnesty

5. Maintain Current Military Strength

6. Pro-Life

7. Limited constitutional rights for foreign terrorism suspects.

8. Require Identification to vote.

9. Expand energy resources to include drilling on public lands.

 

[hackmeplz]

8. Require Identification to vote.

Why does this make your top 8 issues? Do you think voter fraud is an issue?

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Why does this make your top 8 issues? Do you think voter fraud is an issue?

Most likely it means he would prefer censitary suffrage to equal suffrage and requiring the ID is a way to get there by making it harder for poor people to vote.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Would you please show me where Mormonism says "Kill all infidels"? (That's us.)

Ever heard of the Utah war? Mormonism has actually been at war with the USA. Because it wanted Utah to be a theocracy.

 

[Worak]

I will eventually read all posts here - and I swore I would try to stay away from political posts in the forum, since the views swing so broadly in both directions - but it is an amazing thing to see. American politics in the present state, and especially the American support of politicians.

How Mitt Romney can be seen as a "savior", its like science fiction..... And how more people cannot feel as Dakota does, I cant understand. It IS easy to NOT want this guy in the most powerful seat in US politics.....


Yet so many seem to want it....

(where is the "scratch my head in wonder" smiley?)

There are alternatives:

:dontknow: :listen: :stupid:

But an "intense search" brought up.

:hmmmm2:

Not that it's really my buisiness who (or what fwiw) you all elect for president but as a poker player I have to agree to what has been said earlier:

The democrats have miserably failed to make online poker fully legal in the US in the past year and yes that affects non US players aswell (player pool, # of available sites and games).

On the other hand I fear alot more problems for all of us if the Moron bishop should win.

 

[plainluck]

Ever heard of the Utah war? Mormonism has actually been at war with the USA. Because it wanted Utah to be a theocracy.

Now you're reaching. Even if that were true (and I haven't checked it out); that's a far cry from "KILL ALL INFIDELS". And I'm not just talking about the USA. FYI, I have nothing against Muslims per se, (my Grandson-In-Law is muslim), but when you start comparing the two you are way off base. Apples and oranges.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Now you're reaching. Even if that were true (and I haven't checked it out); that's a far cry from "KILL ALL INFIDELS". And I'm not just talking about the USA. FYI, I have nothing against Muslims per se, (my Grandson-In-Law is muslim), but when you start comparing the two you are way off base. Apples and oranges.

Christians actually have a lot worse history than Muslims when it comes to killing infidels. Most of the expansion of Islam was done without forced conversions. Conquered people were allowed to keep their religion and only subject to special non-Muslim taxation.

On the other hand, Christianity had the crusades, the genocide and forced conversion of natives in the Americas, ...

 

[hackmeplz]

idk how this got into a Christian vs. Muslim thing, and I'm pretty much anti all religion, but it's pretty hard to argue that today Christianity is more dangerous than Islam. The people today who utilize Christianity for violence are considered super extremists and even people like the Westboro Baptist Church are ostracized by mainstream Christianity. Meanwhile there are actual governments in this world right now that impose Islam as the official religion and enforce doctrines that include stoning people to death, treating women as property, etc. I'm not saying Islam is necessarily the reason for that, I'm just saying that right now there is not much harm for which Christianity is the justification where anyone with any power recognizes it. That's not the case at all for Islam. The majority of countries for which Islam is the law of the land are pretty much fascist barbaric states whereas there are pretty much no countries left that oppress people and force them to convert to Christianity.