Daniel Negreanu leaves Pokerstars

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Although Negreanu was a big part of the problem man. You kinda make it sound as though he wasn't. While Negreanu was just Pokerstars shill, he still made millions every year to keep going out there & blindly supporting Pokerstars never ending giant rake increases & saying its good for players & good for the games. When a player of his caliber with his knowledge of the game knows damn well that never ending giant sized rake increases are not good for the game or for the players at all. If Negreanu's local casino where he grinded at when he was a struggling up & coming player suddenly decided to do what Pokerstars is doing & start adding giant rake increases regularly with no end in site then I'm pretty sure Negreanu would have been livid about it.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be happy about it if he played regularly at Bobby's Room & they started increasing the rake every few months or wherever he plays the most. Though he'd probably care a little less now since he's rich. Hence why he didn't care cause it doesn't effect him. What if they started increasing the entry fee every few months for every tournament that Negreanu plays in? Pretty sure he wouldn't think that's "Great for the game". Pretty sure he would be none to happy about that. The never ending rake increases on Pokerstars certainly benefits all the amateur & recreational players way more then it does the pro's & reg's because it definitely hurts the pro's & reg's a lot more. Though it doesn't even really benefit the the rec's & amateur's either it just lessens the edge the pro's have on them while hurting all players in the process & lining Pokerstars pockets with more & more profit. The never ending rake increases just makes it harder & harder for anyone to turn a profit rec or not.

It's killing both Pokerstars & online poker. Recreational & amateur players should be equally upset as the pro's & reg's are about all the never ending giant rake increases because it effects them & their ability to make any money while playing just as much. The recreational players & amateurs are the ones that hold all the power in terms of ending the rake increases & getting them drastically reduced because the amount of recreational & amateur players on the site far outweigh the number or reg's & pro's. Plus the recreational & amateur players are the only ones that Pokerstars gives a crap about & listens to so they are the only ones that can change anything. When they all complain with one voice & stop playing then Pokerstars greedy ass sits up in their chairs & finally listens.

Unfortunately the problem is that A. The recreational & amateur players don't really seem to understand why never ending giant rake increases is a bad thing for them & for everyone else & B. The other problem is that recreational & amateur players just don't seem to care. The majority of them are losing players that play for fun & are going to lose money anyway so they simply don't give a crap even though it effects them & they lose money at a much faster rate now with continued rake increases. But they figure well I just play for fun & I'm going to lose money or break even anyway whether the rake is 4% or 75% of the pot so I don't care go ahead & rake me to death & take 75% of my winnings whenever I win a pot for all I care. Leave me with nothing whenever I win a pot that's fine with me.

Let's just keep jacking up the rake & eventually turn it into play chips where Pokerstars just takes like 99% of the pot in rake while we all fight over fractions of a penny every pot. Long as we still get to play right? That's eventually what its going to come to. They are just going to keep pushing the envelope with the rake & they are going to see how far they can push it until players start pushing back & until they start losing a large percentage of players. Then they will finally cap the rake at that point & stop the rake increases once it finally reaches a point where players are pushing back & they are losing too many people. Then in a few years they'll try again with another small rake increase. They are just going to keep doing it until it reaches the point where they are taking like 10-30% of the damn pot in rake. It's already at 4% - 4.5% which is insane. Micro stake players are actually paying 3.5% in rake which is just nuts for micro stakes. It's disgusting to rake micro stake players that much & I feel very bad for them. It was already tough as it was to turn any profit without the giant sized rake & before the stupid 4 table limit.

Negreanu has blindly supported all of Pokerstars F'ed up changes in favor of lining both his & Pokerstars pockets which was a majorly douche thing to do. I think it has nothing to do with being married & seeing family. I think he's leaving because of all the heat he's taken for it around the world from fellow players & from friends in the Poker community. His image has definitely taken a hit in the Poker community because of it. Mainly with the players he competes against. If you are a pro poker player that used to grind or still grinds on Pokerstars then odds are you hate Negreanu's guts & he gets to see & hear from all these people on a regular basis which I'm sure has to effect him at some point if he has even a shred of decency as a human being (which I question).


I know it would upset me a lot if I were him even if I was rich. Negreanu blindly supporting all the never ending rake increases & all of Pokerstars other F'ed up decisions is a big reason why a lot of pros look at him in a similar light now as Howard Lederer, Chris Ferguson, & Erick Lindgren aka The Holy Trinity Of Poker Scumbags. Unholy is more fitting actually. Negreanu is right there knocking on their door though for the 4th spot & close to making it a Quartet. Negreanu may not have gone to the same slimy extent that they did but it's in the same ballpark. He's like a prostitute really in a lot of peoples eyes. Pokerstars was his pimp & he was their go to whore. Or you could say he was their "Bottom Bitch" if you prefer:laugh:. Those familiar with hooker lingo know what that means lol.
Sooooo…..You think he should've stayed? ….hehe.
 
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Kid poker is one of my favorites. Wow. He has been one of the main cats at PS for as long as I can remember. I wish him all the best!
 
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I've thought about coming back to PS when the US makes online poker legal again but I have been watching a lot of the Twitch pros playing on partypoker and it seems pretty legit. Would probably lean more in that direction with all the PS issues.
 
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Maybe he wants to create and launch his own poker content that will compete with the "Stars"? I hope we see it in a different light. Despite everything, Negreanu remains for me one of the most, if not the best poker player in the world !
 
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I wonder why Negreanu left PokerStars? Positive man, what happened? I do not think that the reason for leaving is family. PokerStars Saves?:confused:
 
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I wonder why Negreanu left PokerStars? Positive man, what happened? I do not think that the reason for leaving is family. PokerStars Saves?:confused:

I'm beginning to think Daniel is simply taking another path in poker. Twelve years is a long time to be with any company and he has been loyal to them. So, we wait to hear updates from him and watch his Twitter account sometimes. :)
 
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In my opinion, Daniel plays and conducts himself with the highest level of integrity. When a person would see a poker stars commercial, Daniel was at the forefront. He always seems to have fun, while playing. Regardless if it's over money or not, I'm glad he's heading in a new direction.
 
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in last few years majority of pros left Stars because PS is no more PS we knew... but there is a question posted above Why does it matter if he is at Stars or not?

The star is falling really fast. What the heck is going on with them?
 
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I like of strategy him, I think he wanna retire, or travel to disney!
 
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omg noooo I registered to PS because I wanted win his money :/...
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A great player, it was interesting to watch him and watch him play!
 
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LEGENDS never leave. Even if he is no longer a Pokerstars team pro, he remains an inspiration to many players. :eek::rolleyes:
 
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He is a best poker player for me!!
 
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Love him or hate him he has been a fine ambassador for pokerstars and poker in general, but today D-Negs has announced he will be leaving stars behind after 12 years.

https://twitter.com/RealKidPoker/status/1131598749304705024


What are your thoughts on Daniel?


Why would anyone have a reason to hate Negreanu? One the most admired players in the game. If you fashion your attitude along with his you'll have a great life in general.:confused:
 
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he isnt that good anyway so good for ps

besides dan being "the most winning-est tourney player" or whatever. What is untimely takes to play and win that many bracelets is a big enough bankroll. This is not to brag but if i had his BR i would have a way better roi than him so f him. Sorry if Im being harsh and im sure there are people that are going to disagree but so be it.
 
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World class post. I don't see many people at all calling out Amaya, Pokerstars & Negreanu in this thread. Get the heck out Negreanu & let the door hit you on the way out please. Now Pokerstars can get someone else to push all their "More Rake Is Better" bull crap. Like this guy said all Pokerstars has been doing is making the games worse with more & more insane sized rake increases. Adding stupid casino games & other dumb poker variants that no one likes that do nothing but give Pokerstars a massive edge & attempts to turn Poker into some gambling-casino-luckbox game that gives awful recreational players a chance. They want to do whatever they can to completely remove all skill out of the games to cater to fishy recreational players to give them more of a chance so that more fishy recreational players will play on the site so that Pokerstars can generate more revenue. I wouldn't be surprised if they started tampering with their software next to cater towards all the bad fishy recreational players for these very reasons. If they haven't already. All Pokerstars cares about is bringing in lots of new amateur players to make them money & blow money on their site & of course none of the recreational players will give a rats ass about the never ending rake increases that lines Pokerstars greedy pockets.

Hi TRM, I've been away from the forums for a good while but now that I'm back I wanted to, first, thank you for praising my post, that was nice of you to say; but, second, let you know that I'm actually a big Negreanu fan! Sorry to disappoint you! That's not to say that I agree in the slightest with his "higher rakes are good for the game" line of argument. In fact, I agree with you that it's a really weird position for him to take on the matter. Maybe you're right to accuse him of simply doing "Amayastar's" bidding in this particular instance, maybe he thought "Screw it, my contract's up with them soon and THEN I'll be able to break free and totally speak my mind, until then I don't want to get sued for breach of contract by speaking out against them..." or something like that. On the other hand, maybe he genuinely believes it's good for the game! It wouldn't be the first time he's voiced an opinion that seems to contradict common sense. I mean, look at recently: He's just won wsop Player Of The Year for a third time - the only player to achieve that, in fact nobody else has ever won it twice; and yet he's talking about how the points scoring system - y'know, the one that has resulted in him winning this title more times than anyone else in the world - needs to be altered, and he's offered his thoughts on HOW it should be altered. Most people in his situation would be thinking "heck, this point system's working out great for me, I'm keeping my mouth shut about it!" But then, keeping his mouth shut has never been KidPoker's strong suit, has it! Point I'm trying to make is, maybe it's quite a selfish, inward-looking, not-considering-the-masses opinion to state that higher rakes are better for the game, but there's some chance that Negreanu DOES genuinely believe that, from his own mega-rich, mega-successful vantage point. If that's the case then, shucks, he should know better, and it's disappointing that he doesn't more consideration to the lower-level grinders and the recreational players... but at least that's better than him being a whore for pokerstars!

Having said all the above, and no matter what the reasons for his high-rake-is-good argument, I think the good he has done for the image of poker over the years far, FAR outweighs any damage he has done with occasional mis-steps such as this one.
 
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besides dan being "the most winning-est tourney player" or whatever. What is untimely takes to play and win that many bracelets is a big enough bankroll. This is not to brag but if i had his BR i would have a way better roi than him so f him. Sorry if Im being harsh and im sure there are people that are going to disagree but so be it.

That's QUITE a bold statement to make, Wally! Obviously having a massive bankroll helps, after all "you've gotta be in it, to win it," but how do you think he got that bankroll in the first place? And, out of curiosity, what is your ROI? Cos, I'm fairly sure Negreanu's ROI is somewhere in the region of eleventy-billion percent! He started out with very little and did the hard grind to build himself up, getting felted in Vegas one or two times along the way. None of it got handed to him on a silver spoon, his talent and tenacity got him to where he is today.
 
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Some choice quotes from Negreanu's blog about his third WSOP Player Of The Year title being revoked dues to a miscalculation. I think these help illustrate how he is still a great ambassador for the image of poker, despite the higher-rakes controversy:

"It’s an unfortunate situation, but mistakes happen and life goes on. I’m genuinely happy for Robert Campbell because I know how much it meant to him and I also feel he was deserving, having won two bracelets this year.
He is also a nice guy which helps."

"5. Divide points by number of entries. If you play in an unlimited reentry event and use 4 bullets, your point total should be divided by 4. So for example, lets say you win an event that would get you 1000 points, but rebought three times. Now, you would get 1000/4 for 250 points.
I’m less invested in this one, but many people seem to feel strongly about this one."

"It’s difficult to create a system that everyone likes, but I think my ideas would benefit the grinders who make deep runs in large field small buy in NLH events, as well as those who put up stellar results in the $10k Championship events. What we need to do is start seeing min cashes for what they are. Hardly an accomplishment at all when you look at the bigger picture.

So what is my takeaway from this experience? Well, I always try to look a the responsible version rather than the victim version.

The victim version looks like: OMG I got so screwed I would have played differently and THEY screwed me with this mistake!!!!

I prefer the responsible version: if this is something I care about, I need to verify for myself that my point totals are correct as they happen. Double, and triple check. I trusted the WSOP to have it right, but I should still verify my point totals to ensure they are aligned with what the website showed. I didn’t do that, but I will make it a habit in the future."

"Congrats again to Robert Campbell, you are absolutely a deserving champion despite this unfortunate error. There should be no asterisk beside your name in the record books. You put together an incredible WSOP and WSOPE and no one can ever take that away from you."

Well said, Kid. Well said.
 
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Done a lot for pokerstars and pokerstars gave him a lot, cicles finish and i think this cicle is over on time, i guess.
 
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The All ending someday! The some Heroes go out, another Heroes come,
or will come... This is not bad and not good, this is a fact. Anyway, LIFE continues!
To be continued...;):cool::D
 
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Every way has a terminal station.12 years PS completed for him.I wish Daniel new directions in life where he can use his potential.One ot the best players in the history of poker and just a good person.Good luck!
 
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He is one of the most recognized players in the world
 
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