Chris Moneymaker and the Hall of Fame

[rrickir]

I actually was surprised he was even on the list but I don't know too much about how the poker Hall of Fame works really

I think somebody who gets into the Hall of Fame for whatever sport it is it's because they're being recognized for their Great accomplishments in that sport. I'm not sure him winning the world series of poker is enough for him to be in the Hall of Fame definitely enough for him to be recognized as it got way more people interested of course but I don't know if that's Hall of Fame Worthy just my opinion though LOL

Kind of like in music there are many many songs that have been huge hits but then we don't really see follow up or Grammys for those people necessarily

Like one hit wonders in songs kind of

I guess it's like Daniel negreanu said it's just going to depend on the people that are voting how they feel about it ,,,he believes it should be based more on longevity and poker accomplishments,,,,, and I kind of agree with that also

 

[QA77]

Its a tough question. Obviously because he won, poker changed and became more popular. But has he done enough as a player to win the award? If someone has accomplished more from the finalists, I would put them ahead.

 

[Kanetuck]

In some Hall of Fames you can be inducted in the 'builder' category. If the poker Hall of Fame has this then I think he should be inducted. But if members are only inducted by playing credentials then it would not be fair to someone else if he is inducted.

I have to agree that he should not be added to hall of fame unless they add a builder category. I have been following DNegs wsop YouTube vlog. He suggested, I believe, that a builder category be added that allows entry every 3 years. I agreed with everything Daniel said about Hall of Fame.

 

[wagon596]

Not saying either way, but without his win would this or any other poker forum exist? Would there be a variety of poker sites to choose from? In fact, you could argue online poker might not be available to anyone.

I can't deny what he did had a great affect on the world of poker. And from what little I've heard about him, he has been a good ambassador for the game.

I firmly believe if you look at effect, then yes.

 

[capt red]

hello

meet him once, nice guy. he did a lot for poker .

 

[theRaven68]

The fact is that Moneymaker effect changed online poker industry but is it enough for the Hall of Fame and there are players who are more qualified for that place

 

[RiverKing422]

He won a world series of poker absolutely!

 

[PaxMundi]

Absolutely seen as he's the person that caused the poker,how do you say it ?

 

[wpilson70]

Put it to the crowd this way

Some think CM is HOF worthy. Others don’t.

If you can’t see how he popularized poker at the time, and was the face of the game as it became massive mainstream, I wonder what you’re doing in a poker forum.

And the forums themselves. The shitty ones I’ve referenced in the past. 2 plus 2. This place.

Anyone think any of them are still here if CM doesn’t win the Main Event? Like someone mentioned earlier, the WSOP was on shaky ground before CM won it all. And after he won?

Still riding the wave today, right?

Right?

 

[Kenzie 96]

Yes he should be in on the impact his winning the WSOP had on the game. He is the Arnold Palmer of poker. Unlike many who have benefitted from his win, he continues to conduct himself in a way that reflects positively on the game.

 

[tazzmaster62]

i myself dont thing he is ready for hall of fame
their is alot more players out their that deserve it more than him.
sure in 5 years or more and more wins then ya .

 

[Shells]

So, I'm curious...

To anyone who believes Moneymaker is not qualified to be in the Poker Hall of Fame, what would he have to do to make it in? or do you think he would ever make it in? (Aside from win a bunch more bracelets/tournaments)

 

[Kanetuck]

So, I'm curious...

To anyone who believes Moneymaker is not qualified to be in the Poker Hall of Fame, what would he have to do to make it in? or do you think he would ever make it in? (Aside from win a bunch more bracelets/tournaments)

I just don't want the hall of fame to become a watered down popularity contest. To me, hall of fame should be restricted to the best of the best. However, I don't think anyone would deny that Moneymaker has been instrumental in the growth of poker. I believe a builder category should be added. 2 spots every 3 years. That would allow him to qualify and be labeled with the honor of builder. Even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut, but that doesn't warrant entry into the Hall of Fame.

The every three years idea came from DNegs vlog. I like it. I think it will keep the builder category from overtaking the original concept of having the best of the best.

 

[pescaofish]

The requirements to be Consider to the Hall of Fame Should include a Moral standard.

No way Chris Ferguson, should be allowed to even be considered!

 

[alienat3d]

I think because his story is so impressive and shows that it is possible to start from playing a freeroll to winnIng the main event, he should be in the hall of fame

Actually, it was not a freeroll, but 40 bucks satellite, that he started from to win a ticket for WSOP, but it's unsubstantial to mention I guess.

 

[xOneCoolHandx]

CardsChat contributor, Jon Sofen, has an opinion regarding Chris Moneymaker and the Hall of Fame.

Do you think Chris is deserving of induction to the Poker Hall of Fame? What is your opinion?

Op-Ed: Chris Moneymaker Long Overdue for Poker Hall of Fame Induction

I do not believe Moneymaker deserves the HOF yet. There are more deserving players on the list who have achieved more, and done just as much to bring the game to mainstream America. We must all remember that the Moneymaker Effect did not occur in a vacuum. I credit the poker boom as much to the growth of online poker and media as I do to the Moneymaker Effect. The pop culture movie Rounders came out in 98. The same year of the first online poker site. Then, online tournament poker made its appearance in 2002. I believe this is truly sparked the explosion of poker. Moneymaker just happened to be the guy to win the main event the year it exploded.

I agree with a few others that Ferguson belongs in the HOF despite the FTP fiasco (which there are articles out there that exonerate him). I also feel that Esfandiari, Seed, and really ALL of the other players on the list are more worthy than Moneymaker.

I do believe that Moneymaker will one day be in the HOF, I just don't think this is the year for it.

 

[chippyrob]

it depends if in your opinion the luckiest man alive deserves to be a hall of famer... personally i think the guy must be good to win the WSOP but the extreme amount of luck you need to win it is beyond imaginable, the cards fell right for him that day but to be fair he hasnt even come close to winning anything remotely equal to the win in 2003 so compared to someone of phil iveys level and daniel negranu do you believe he is even at thier level? i dont... nut this is only an opinion...

robert

 

[LotharMcDowner]

it depends if in your opinion the luckiest man alive deserves to be a hall of famer... personally i think the guy must be good to win the WSOP but the extreme amount of luck you need to win it is beyond imaginable, the cards fell right for him that day but to be fair he hasnt even come close to winning anything remotely equal to the win in 2003 so compared to someone of phil iveys level and daniel negranu do you believe he is even at thier level? i dont... nut this is only an opinion...

robert

By that logic, no-one should be in because they were all lucky at some point to win the Main. Moneymaker actually played pretty well for an amateur, and was that huge bluff on Farha "luck"? I think not. Not to mention he won his way through a satellite and outlasted thousands of people there too. Agree he is not Negreanu or Ivey, but there are a lot of people in Hall of Fames not named Jordan, Ruth, Marino or Gretzky... or Maradona for you soccer people . That interview with Norman Chad is excellent in the points he makes. Definitely need to increase the number of inductees yearly.

It's always interesting reading counterpoints, because it seems like an obvious choice to put him in. Not diminishing your points, actually the opposite, keep em coming. Nice to hear other thoughts.

 

[chippyrob]

by no means do i disagree with what you are saying he has had some amazing achievements, my point is being in the hall of fame dwindles the special aspect of it if you can just get in like that.... i always thought it was more of a lifetime achievement sort of thing and he hasn't really played for a lifetime.... im probably wrong in the way that i think i just feel that just because you won the wsop once and won some money does that really merit hall of fame what about the people who have actually contributed into making poker a better game... what has he reall done since he won?

robert

 

[FuncrusherPlus]

I think you have to put him in. Poker HOF kind of has its own criteria. If you start appropriating criteria from other sports' HOF you might not have a HOF.

 

[wagon596]

The requirements to be Consider to the Hall of Fame Should include a Moral standard.

No way Chris Ferguson, should be allowed to even be considered!

I totally agree with this post.... Look at Major League Baseball, Pete Rose only bet on games and he will never be in the HOF, Ferguson stole money. He committed Fraud to the max degree. Bottom line, he's a crook!!
Just my opinion, I could be wrong as Dennis Miller always said,,,,

 

[BobbyMorton]

He should be in it he changed the world of poker.

 

[Shells]

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-news-events-63/2019-poker-hall-fame-inductees-chris-435271/

 

[dgroes]

My vote would be on him... And on Chris Ferguson of course... He for sure has stood the test of time and made a lasting impression on the poker world... no one seems to be able to forget him.[emoji5]

hahaha. What a beautifully crafted satire. Moneymaker on the Ying and Furgeson on the Yang. Both unforgettable legends.

 

[nikolaevich87]

Op-Ed: Chris Moneymaker Long Overdue for Poker Hall of Fame Induction

He has everything he needs for the game, and I think that many have watched his style of poker, and many have learned, and this is not a little!and about the hall of fame is a great idea!





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