More cheating in online poker - Pot Ripper 2.0

[machinm19]

I always said super users did not just vanish and despite many sticking their heads in the sand and wild claims of "variance/bad play" to anybody who questions the validity of online poker the latest scandal has come to light on GG poker. Doug Polk does a pretty good job of explaining things.

I have made numerous posts about super users on this site over the past 5 years. I believe that their are thousands of them doing it who are too smart to get caught. Every site has super user programs which they say is for testing but lets get real these programs are clearly being abused by either employees or hackers.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

I always said super users did not just vanish and despite many sticking their heads in the sand and wild claims of "variance/bad play" to anybody who questions the validity of online poker the latest scandal has come to light on GG poker. Doug Polk does a pretty good job of explaining things.

I have made numerous posts about super users on this site over the past 5 years. I believe that their are thousands of them doing it who are too smart to get caught. Every site has super user programs which they say is for testing but lets get real these programs are clearly being abused by either employees or hackers.

Do u have any clear data/evidence about these other superusers u made "numerous posts about"? Would not be surprised if there are more on GG but u saying "u believe" without anything else is just not enough sorry.

U say that every site has superuser programms that are "clearly being abused by either employees or hacker". Any evidence of that?

And down goes ur credibility after that statement 😀🥱

 

[hardongear]

Yep careful where and what stakes you play. This been the case from day in any game ever played for money. Whether it's live or online.

It's been known for years how scummy GG poker is. Majority ignore it.

Fwiw as a 20 year micro/low stakes player at pokerstars I think their track record speaks for its self compared to any of their competition. Specially when it comes to micro/low stakes. And if it doesn't and that's not enough well at best I'm just a meh-oish player and I'm stilling winning and have been for 20 years. If they're cheating at micro/low stakes on Pokerstars they sure suck really bad at it.

Btw I was paid by no one for this post. Simply an opinion from a long time experience player who's avg at best when it comes to poker.

Online poker done right can be a great, fun hobby one can make a little side money at in his spare time.

Cheers!!!

 

[pentazepam]

It's been known for years how scummy GG poker is. Majority ignore it.

They just don't care as long as they get "free" stuff.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I always said super users did not just vanish and despite many sticking their heads in the sand and wild claims of "variance/bad play" to anybody who questions the validity of online poker the latest scandal has come to light on GG poker. Doug Polk does a pretty good job of explaining things.

I have made numerous posts about super users on this site over the past 5 years. I believe that their are thousands of them doing it who are too smart to get caught. Every site has super user programs which they say is for testing but lets get real these programs are clearly being abused by either employees or hackers.

a bunch of wild unsupported claims by a rookie. It's common for rookies to say & believe stuff like this. I see it all the time (& can support it with loads of evidence)

 

[BelFish]

All poker rooms in which boards are generated not in real time, but before the hand, are incorrect )))
This should not happen!

 

[LaNimmer]

It's not the major poker sites that are dirty, they do spend money on catching frauds and cheats. But like almost everything in the world that involves money and some kind of weird pride, there is always somebody who will take little people and big peoples money illegally. There would be no mafia or organized crime or hackers otherwise. If someone can crack the NSA or DoD's algorithms and codes just to prove they can, what do you think will motivate them to steal huge sums of money if they can? I always hear "why would someone steal pennies from micro stakes? That is the easiest to steal from without generating any notice. They steal a penny a day from a million users for years on end, nobody notices or questions a penny. But we have seen many bold thieves and hackers go for the big bucks, hitting governments, banks, investment firms, corporations etc. Do you think that GG and PS and 888 aren't being targeted by thieves on a daily basis? Of course they (the sites) do what they can as it is bad for business. But criminals and certain governments are always looking to make an easy buck or destabilize an enemy country. Gaming is a major draw for organized and unorganized crime. Tons of money (billions) a day in transfers and transactions. Even live gabling is not safe. casinos spend a fortune on surveillance, intelligence, facial recognition, and partnerships with local and federal law enforcement. Many of you say this is all impossible, but CC itself reports many of the criminals incidents and fraud in their news pages. I'm not saying that the sky is falling, but haul your head out of the sand. There are bots, cheaters, nefarious algorithms, collusion, solvers, and many more ways that I am only touching the tip of the iceberg. You don't need to be scared, but you must be alert and aware! Now you may go ahead and bombard me, I already know who will.

 

[dreamer13]

Nowadays, players are especially concerned about new types of bots playing GTO. We may suspect that we are dealing with superusers when in fact variance is to blame.The person who has access to your pocket cards does not have to be human. If we combine two forms of fraud - a bot and a superuser - we get a housebot. Housebots were used in some poker networks in order to generate more traffic. Poker rooms are reluctant to provide information about whether they use housebots and what exactly such bots do at the tables.

 

[RhinoRyan89]

Due to all the recent information in regards to online cheats i ended up watching some poker bounty biggest scandals videos on youtube

There has been more superuser cases then i thought.

 

[hardongear]

They just don't care as long as they get "free" stuff.

That and it's fact majority of poker players are pure idiots about a lot of things even a lot of high stakes guys. Just a small stroll thru their Twitter feeds is like a clown circus of moron takes. And not just about cheating in poker about most every topic they speak of.

Thank god thou that there are so many idiots in poker. It means poker will never die and always be a profitable hobby for a half the smart patience players

Cheers!!!

 

[luckyfish98]

this is what I've been trying to tell you all along, dear Cardchat users - ONLINE POKER IS NOT RELIABLE !!!

 

[luckyfish98]

Three poker fish meet, one fish tells - if you know, I can beat all the professionals
the other fish says-but I can always win in all all-in situations with any cards
the third fish laughs and says - but you didn't know that I can see the cards of any player, because I have such software and when you two fish have won enough, then I will get that money in my account !
thats gg from real

 

[Funtast]

a bunch of wild unsupported claims by a rookie. It's common for rookies to say & believe stuff like this. I see it all the time (& can support it with loads of evidence)

I think you are dead wrong. Everywhere where there is money involved there IS cheating. In fact there doesn't even have to be money involved, some competition in any game is enough for people to cheat, A LOT. Even my 4 years old son cheats from time to time playing memory.
So how can you truely believe that online poker is free from cheating, rigging etc.?
The only question there really is, is where do they cheat and rig and fraud etc. the most and where is it relatively safe to play.
I am sure whatever limit you play there are always cheaters that cost you some bb/100 hands or some buyins/100 tours on average simply because of the way our world is constructed. If you think everything is fine, I feel happy for you although it's definetely not.
And btw. these news are funny because I just uninstalled GGPoker this week. The more shiny things are and get, the more crap goes on behind closed doors. GG is totally full of it.

 

[Axmanace]

The hilarious thing is the banned user on GG poker technically wasn’t even a super user lol.

(Though it was as close as you can get to one)

 

[najisami]

Yep careful where and what stakes you play. This been the case from day in any game ever played for money. Whether it's live or online.

It's been known for years how scummy GG poker is. Majority ignore it.

Fwiw as a 20 year micro/low stakes player at Pokerstars I think their track record speaks for its self compared to any of their competition. Specially when it comes to micro/low stakes. And if it doesn't and that's not enough well at best I'm just a meh-oish player and I'm stilling winning and have been for 20 years. If they're cheating at micro/low stakes on Pokerstars they sure suck really bad at it.

Btw I was paid by no one for this post. Simply an opinion from a long time experience player who's avg at best when it comes to poker.

Online poker done right can be a great, fun hobby one can make a little side money at in his spare time.

Cheers!!!

If a hacker finds a way to cheat and make money on a poker site, do you think he'll go to low/micro stakes ?????
Besides, as someone pointed it out above, there is not a shred of evidence supporting those allegations.

 

[puzzlefish]

If a hacker finds a way to cheat and make money on a poker site, do you think he'll go to low/micro stakes ?????
Besides, as someone pointed it out above, there is not a shred of evidence supporting those allegations.

They would probably put together a small army of bots to automate the cheat for them at as many stakes as possible without getting caught.

Do you honestly think it would be wise to try rip off people at the highest stakes?

 

[puzzlefish]

Do u have any clear data/evidence about these other superusers u made "numerous posts about"?

Any evidence of that?

How would someone get evidence of a superuser who is playing correctly and not abusing their advantage (i.e. still losing an appropriate amount of time instead of trying to vacuum out the entire economy of a poker site)?

I doubt that there are outright superusers out there on the major sites, but maybe there are more exploits like the ones that were used by the money taker guy. More often than not there's just idiotic play though that just happens to get rewarded one time and then punished the next time. It's a coin toss who wins a buy-in and who loses one while the donkey dances.

 

[hardongear]

If a hacker finds a way to cheat and make money on a poker site, do you think he'll go to low/micro stakes ?????
Besides, as someone pointed it out above, there is not a shred of evidence supporting those allegations.

If he's stupid as shit sure he'll play micro/low stakes and stay there forever. As I said I play Pokerstars and have for 20+ years and am a winning player.....idk what to tell you if they're cheating at micro/low stakes full-tables at Pokerstars they're stupid as shit and suck at it so bring them all on I say more money for me. Only stupid people play and stay at micro/low stakes if they're cheating. Anyone smart enough to cheat and not get caught players higher stakes then micro/low stakes.

GG has been scummy for and doing scummy shit for years this isn't something new.

You're free to disagree I also don't care about that. My facts are based off my experience so if you disagree I guess you're not me. Which is obvious.

Cheers!!!

 

[cwdignus]

poker is a trickster's game to win money of innocent fish (live or online), the comical pics of the fish swallowing the cat are just to make us laugh, there is no system created to take advantage of others, honest and innocent. ... just to conclude, this discussion is empty and unnecessary

 

[najisami]

If he's stupid as shit sure he'll play micro/low stakes and stay there forever. As I said I play Pokerstars and have for 20+ years and am a winning player.....idk what to tell you if they're cheating at micro/low stakes full-tables at Pokerstars they're stupid as shit and suck at it so bring them all on I say more money for me. Only stupid people play and stay at micro/low stakes if they're cheating. Anyone smart enough to cheat and not get caught players higher stakes then micro/low stakes.

GG has been scummy for and doing scummy shit for years this isn't something new.

You're free to disagree I also don't care about that. My facts are based off my experience so if you disagree I guess you're not me. Which is obvious.

Cheers!!!

1st of all, I cannot categorize a hacker as a stupid person. 2nd, your facts should and have to be based on evidence, not on your experience.

 

[hardongear]

1st of all, I cannot categorize a hacker as a stupid person. 2nd, your facts should and have to be based on evidence, not on your experience.

Idk what to tell you anyone who takes the chance of cheating, getting caught banned and money taken only yo play micro/low stakes is stupid as shit. I guess you grade on a huge curve. I don't.

Whatever evidence and facst am I gonna use other then my 20+ years experience? Fact is at best I'm a meh-avg player skill/knowledge wise....if I there's micro/low stakes cheaters at Pokerstars playing full-ring tables they suck completely and are stupid cause they're pretty easily beat by a meh-avg player.

So guess we'll agree to disagree.

Cheers!!!

 

[stank12345]

where you have money you will have cheaters and crooks I think the major sites do a good job of policing it but I would not play on small sets

 

[fundiver199]

For sure there might have been other players, who had hacked GG Poker in a similar way or were part of some sort of "ring" sharing the method. But for now we have no evidence, it was "thousands of players". More importantly if I was playing on GG Poker, I would have some degree of trust in them having fixed the security problem now. So I would not be to concerned, especially if I was a micro or low stakes player, as most forum members are.

 

[kon44]

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