Slow rolling in online poker?

[ted80]

its like being a spoiled sport when they let the clock run out to show their fold. i slowed the other day...cause the dog managed to get out of the house, my bad. i noticed the dog may be gone...realized the timer was almost out...folded....looked around the house, dammit, dog's gone, timer was almost out, folded again...then went outside to catch it. then i'm sure i went on autofold pretty quick.

sometimes i get the impression they're stalling, thinking in a freeroll that it might help them get in the money if they slow the table down...while watching the number of players drop...for those that stall seemingly every hand unless they're actually playing it and excited, then it's urgent quick

 

[Roller]

I don't think you can slowroll in online poker, as it will automatically fold you...

I agree 100%

You can utilize the time allowed online.
But in my opinion that's not slow rolling someone.


Just my thoughts.

 

[mig2169]

I have seen this a few times and it has happened to me before live and online. Not sure if u can tell because some people take their time on line because they are doing other things while playing and also their connectionmight be slow not sure how to gage how bad it is. Iam sure people do it and because ur not live it gives them more jewls to do it. Try that shit down at commerce casino in LA and u might get in to a fight.

 

[MainEventOrBust]

Try that shit down at commerce casino in LA and u might get in to a fight.

Most people at Commerce aren't watching TV, playing multiple tables, and checking their email while they are in a pot. Most online slow-rolls are unintentional.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I agree 100%

You can utilize the time allowed online.
But in my opinion that's not slow rolling someone.


Just my thoughts.

I beg to differ in a HUGE way. Perhaps you don't play the same tables as I do? I see it happening many, many times.
Just two nights ago.. SNG on the bubble, 1 large stack, 2med., 1 smaller. I shove from SB vs BB,..... BB pauses, lets timer click down... hits 'extra time' (on Fulltilt)... then lets that time down. Just before it times out,... WHAM he hits 'call' and shows "AA". How in the H3LL can anyone consider stuff like this to be anything but 'slowrolling'? Funny thing about this time was I had pushed with T-T (blinds were high, game was push/fold mode), and another 'T' comes on the river. Bye Bye Mr. Slowrollin' jerkoff.... BOOM... You're out of there!
I've had the very same thing happen on another occassion recently in a private tourney of all things (not CC of course)... late in MTT,.. stack size warrants 'shove/fold',... I shove in MP with a pair.. BB does the same thing and then shows "AA",... I flop set.... thanks 'A-hole', lol.

I'm surprised to see how many on here say that there is no such thing as slow-rolling online or perhaps you've just been fortunate enough not to experience it.

 

[freeringo]

Maybe you could do it really fast without anyone noticing.
I wouldn't try it I am too slow.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

Maybe you could do it really fast without anyone noticing.
I wouldn't try it I am too slow.

Do WHAT really fast? :icon_scra

 

[Plus Reste]

What constitutes slow-rolling and not slow-rolling.

Well You got the nuts and you let them bet into it and just call to get as many chips out of them. and make a value bet on the river. hopefully hes all in at this point...lol
Not slow/rolling bet bet bet resaise.....re reraise. get it?

Stay aggressive until you feel better about your game. Its a skill you learn with time.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

Don't confuse slow-playing with slow-rolling...

 

[WVHillbilly]

I beg to differ in a HUGE way. Perhaps you don't play the same tables as I do? I see it happening many, many times.
Just two nights ago.. SNG on the bubble, 1 large stack, 2med., 1 smaller. I shove from SB vs BB,..... BB pauses, lets timer click down... hits 'extra time' (on Fulltilt)... then lets that time down. Just before it times out,... WHAM he hits 'call' and shows "AA". How in the H3LL can anyone consider stuff like this to be anything but 'slowrolling'? Funny thing about this time was I had pushed with T-T (blinds were high, game was push/fold mode), and another 'T' comes on the river. Bye Bye Mr. Slowrollin' jerkoff.... BOOM... You're out of there!
I've had the very same thing happen on another occassion recently in a private tourney of all things (not CC of course)... late in MTT,.. stack size warrants 'shove/fold',... I shove in MP with a pair.. BB does the same thing and then shows "AA",... I flop set.... thanks 'A-hole', lol.

I'm surprised to see how many on here say that there is no such thing as slow-rolling online or perhaps you've just been fortunate enough not to experience it.

Instant Karma. I love it.

 

[Surf Rat]

slowrolling is slowrolling and I despise it ... or "slowcalling" a single player who is allin/or wasteing time to just call the final bets and then showing the nuts ,it is mostly done by donks or idgiots that think its cool.....now I'm not discounting the players that are multitableing (as I often do),as they will useally appologize afterwards for thier being slow to respond in a hand and the ones who have connection problems will often time out and useally bitch about the problem .....slowplaying a call or raise/reraise is part of the game as others have said, if others are involved in the hand or are yet to act and you want more action.

 

[Suited Frenzy]

So an etiquette question that I've been curious about. Recently, I've encountered some players online who have strong preflop hands but then take a while to call a short stack all in (still preflop). Most of these instances, the player who seems to be slow rolling has raised and then the short stack moves in and then the initial raiser who is well-covered/deep stacked takes some time before calling. Would that be a slow roll? Of course with online poker, you get bad connections and various distractions (e.g., phone call, package delivery, etc) from time to time. And slow rolling is partially a result of the perception of the player's actions; some people may not notice that they are slow rolling, but what do you all think? What constitutes slow-rolling and not slow-rolling. The stuff I've seen so far is not blatant (e.g., calling time and then calling) but it seems like this is happening more and more often these days.

I have to admit, when I 1st started playin' online poker (23 years old), I was one to "slow roll" an opponent. My "online" poker etiquette was really really bad & I was pretty rude TBH.

For example: If I flopped the NUTz & they go all-in on me, I would take all the time possible & sometimes even click on the extra time button. Sometimes I would even write in the roombox something like "OOPs", "GG" or "reload time" before I would call. Now that I am thinkin' about it more & more while I'm writing this, man I was really rude!

I'm glad I've matured in the past few years because that stuff isn't right. Plus, if you're takin' your time & happened to get disconnected while fkn around & your hand gets folded, you're $h!t out of luck man. It's not worth it to do things like that IMO.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

I only slowroll people who piss me off, such as people who talk hella shit against me, people who are dumbasses and bluff into an empty side pot when there are short-stack all-ined players when I could've simply won and eliminated a player by checking it down, or dumbf--ks who slowrolled other people before. I remember myself flopping quads and slowrolled this person who had a boat when person he slowrolled had nothing. It was beautiful when I slowrolled. I wasted my time, clicked on time, then right before 3 seconds, I call. When I did that, I wrote "Karma's a b-tch, ain't it?"

I've done it but slowrolling is an ugly etiquette that should NEVER be done. I only do it against fags and dickheads who previously pissed me off or had horrible manners in the table before. But after I slowrolled and wasted time, I apologize to rest of the table and state my reason of slowrolling.

 

[Wolfe]

Slow Calling vs Slow Rolling

I think it is important to realize that this thread is focused on Slow calling. Slow calling is taking more time than you need to make a decision. This typically occurs when you get bet into or raised and are holding the nuts or near nuts and take your sweet time to call the bet. This can be done in live poker and online poker

Slow rolling is when you take your time revealing you have the winning hand at the showdown. This cannot be done in online as the winning hand is automatically displayed. In live poker this happens and is considered poor etiquete (SP?). You roll your cards over to reveal them.

"I got all my chips in when a ten of spades hit the river to give me aces full of tens. When the guy in the 3 seat sighed and shook his head i new i won but that ba**ard slow rolled me with a royal flush."

 

[Stu_Ungar]

I dont see the point in slow calling

Is he hoping that by delaying a call that he somehow gains an advantage over a player who has bet his whole stack?

Its just pointless and slows the game down.

 

[confuzd67]

Also some believe that especially on FOOOLTILT, that with the cards constantly mixing that when you bet or call makes a difference on the cards that come.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

I dont see the point in slow calling

Is he hoping that by delaying a call that he somehow gains an advantage over a player who has bet his whole stack?

Its just pointless and slows the game down.

They do it to try to put their opponent on tilt.

 

[Tom1559]

Slow playing has become a very common tactic in online poker. Experienced players use this tactic occassionally but when it is used by inexperienced players it can very ofter bite you back. I have seen some horors with guys who tried to slow play pocket A's. They think ater the flop that they will still win and invariable they lose to 2 pair. It is difficult to lay down pocket A's after the flop.

 

[ryodejaneiro]

Wow, I had no idea this thread was still getting replies until I got an update a few minutes ago. I think my question got to a gray area because I was wondering if there could be such thing as to preflop slowrolling (e.g., action folds to you who goes all in and the BB takes some time to call). Wolfe (and a few others), your clarification of referring to this thread as slow-calling instead of slow-rolling is much more accurate I think.

Regardless, I'd rather assume the player is multitabling or got distracted before calling as opposed to trying to tilt me by purposefully delaying calling when he/she has the best preflop hand.

 

[Roller]

I beg to differ in a HUGE way. Perhaps you don't play the same tables as I do? I see it happening many, many times.
Just two nights ago.. SNG on the bubble, 1 large stack, 2med., 1 smaller. I shove from SB vs BB,..... BB pauses, lets timer click down... hits 'extra time' (on Fulltilt)... then lets that time down. Just before it times out,... WHAM he hits 'call' and shows "AA". How in the H3LL can anyone consider stuff like this to be anything but 'slowrolling'? Funny thing about this time was I had pushed with T-T (blinds were high, game was push/fold mode), and another 'T' comes on the river. Bye Bye Mr. Slowrollin' jerkoff.... BOOM... You're out of there!
I've had the very same thing happen on another occassion recently in a private tourney of all things (not CC of course)... late in MTT,.. stack size warrants 'shove/fold',... I shove in MP with a pair.. BB does the same thing and then shows "AA",... I flop set.... thanks 'A-hole', lol.

I'm surprised to see how many on here say that there is no such thing as slow-rolling online or perhaps you've just been fortunate enough not to experience it.

OMG NO

That's not what I was Talking about.
THAT IS SLOW ROLLING ...........

Not COOL

CC Players Please don't Play like that.

It's wrong
It's rude
It's not cool
It's bad manners


I agree with Poker Orifice on this one ..........

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Slowrolling is fun when you do it against dickheads who previously slow-rolled other person or if it's some idiot who pissed you off or someone who induced bluff to you. But when you do it, make sure you apologize to rest of the table and state your reason why you did it.

For example, I was at $1 27plyr sng yesterday. Short-stack all-ined, one of bigstacks called, I called too with pocket 10s. I flopped a boat. This dumb bigstack bluffs into an empty side pot. I kept smooth-calling. THen on the river, he pushed all-in, I slowrolled by clicking on time and calling at last second. I apologized to the table and said I slowrolled because I hate dumbf--ks who bluff into an empty side pot and they shouldn't play poker for not having common sense. I became a chip leader and won the whole tourney.

Slow-rolling is fun if you do it to idiots and people who previously slowrolled. If I slowrolled a person who previously slow-rolled other person, I write on the chat "Karma's a bitch, ain't it?" If there's someone who are being dumbasses, such as bluffing into an empty side pot when you have a strong hand, then I slow-roll and say, "plz learn the concept of checking it down." I make note of any slowrollers in the game and I slowroll if I'm playing against them.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Slowrolling is fun when you do it against dickheads who previously slow-rolled other person or if it's some idiot who pissed you off or someone who induced bluff to you.
true... 'but', I might feel 'good'(?) about it for a few secs. but overall I'd prefer just snap-calling his dumbass on the river.
The only players I've ever slowrolled online were ones who'd done it to me previously.... still though I'd much prefer to just not even consider it. One of the biggest things I need to work on in my game is 'removing emotion & ego from the game',... & 'not personalizing situations on the table'.
For example, I was at $1 27plyr sng yesterday. Short-stack all-ined, one of bigstacks called, I called too with pocket 10s. I flopped a boat. This dumb bigstack bluffs into an empty side pot. I kept smooth-calling. THen on the river, he pushed all-in, I slowrolled by clicking on time and calling at last second. I apologized to the table and said I slowrolled because I hate dumbf--ks who bluff into an empty side pot and they shouldn't play poker for not having common sense. I became a chip leader and won the whole tourney.

Slow-rolling is fun if you do it to idiots and people who previously slowrolled. If I slowrolled a person who previously slow-rolled other person, I write on the chat "Karma's a bitch, ain't it?" If there's someone who are being dumbasses, such as bluffing into an empty side pot when you have a strong hand, then I slow-roll
and say, "plz learn the concept of checking it down." I make note of any slowrollers in the game and I slowroll if I'm playing against them.

'checking it down' is actually implicit collusion..... if you're verbalizing it then it is collusion. Sure it's often a sign of a complete rookie (add to notes) but it's not my job to educate them on how to play the game (although I used to want to do this almost 100% of the time.. ie. "You f'n moron!! What in the 'f' were you thinking there?!?!... Oh yah.... you weren't 'thinking'.. obviously." It never served me well and pretty sure it was taking me in the opposite direction of where I'd like to be going with this game of poker.
Don't get me wrong.... I've got a LONG WAY TO GO still. Today was a day of total tilting after experiencing multiple-donkitis. What can I do about it?.. use it as a tool for working on my own Poker Mindset (and a TON of work needs to be done for me here in this respect.... one day at a time).

 

[p215j]

If you intentionally slow roll someone you're a dick.

It doesn't matter if they always slow roll you, that just means they're a dick as well.

It's absolutely the shittiest thing you can do without cheating at the poker table.

100% co-sign! I play live cash & have been slowrolled a couple times. One was so ridiculous I went ballistic then the guy apologized.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

'checking it down' is actually implicit collusion..... if you're verbalizing it then it is collusion. Sure it's often a sign of a complete rookie (add to notes) but it's not my job to educate them on how to play the game (although I used to want to do this almost 100% of the time.. ie. "You f'n moron!! What in the 'f' were you thinking there?!?!... Oh yah.... you weren't 'thinking'.. obviously." It never served me well and pretty sure it was taking me in the opposite direction of where I'd like to be going with this game of poker.
Don't get me wrong.... I've got a LONG WAY TO GO still. Today was a day of total tilting after experiencing multiple-donkitis. What can I do about it?.. use it as a tool for working on my own Poker Mindset (and a TON of work needs to be done for me here in this respect.... one day at a time).

Checking it down is more of common sense than colliding. Well, obviously if you tell someone to check it down, then that's illegal and collusion. But people do it all the time when there's short-stack all-ined player and callers don't have anything or only have very weak, marginal hands. Because it's silly and ridiculous to bluff into an empty side pot. If you're called, you're only gonna get called by better hand. if they fold, you can't win anything and you still need better hand than short-stack all-ined player to win the pot. Seeing retards who BLUFF into an empty side pot pisses me off. I got tired of these idiots, I decided to slow-roll even when I flopped a boat when I simply could've instant called and eliminate them, put myself in dominating position. Eliminated loser started calling me names that I'm a fag for slowrolling but I told him that he's a dumbass for bluffing into an empty side pot that I wanted to get the kicks out of it. I was gonna bet but he started bluffing into me. I don't even know why he was bluffing into an empty side pot against me when I was chip leader.

When people bet into an empty side pot, it usually means "I'm confident I have short-stack player beat. But I'm also willing to take your chips too or I don't want you to draw out against me."

Checking it down is not about having poker skills. It's about having COMMON SENSE in general. I didn't need to read a single book to do this or article to learn this. I read books but not to learn this. People with common sense can easily check it down to increase their chance of eliminating a player and guarantee themselves higher prize.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

Checking it down is not about having poker skills. It's about having COMMON SENSE in general. I didn't need to read a single book to do this or article to learn this. I read books but not to learn this. People with common sense can easily check it down to increase their chance of eliminating a player and guarantee themselves higher prize.

Common sense is not tapping the fish tank...