Pocket AA is better in hold'em or PLO?

Stepgov

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I do not quite understand Omaha and I am having this issue.
In hold'em AA the best starting hand, but in PLO (Pot limit Omaha), where player gets four cards, the presence of AA is perceived not so enthusiastic.
Why is this so?
 
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Because, if you want to use one of the other 2 cards in your hand to combine with the 3 community cards, than only one of your a's is valid meaning everyone else is entitled to the other pairs that show up and will probably 3kind you out.
 
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In Omaha, one pair (even AA) wins very rarely, and it's almost impossible to win at the showdown on the highest card. The usual hand is that in Holdem is considered a monster - Street, flash, full house, quads ...
 
Iryna Stryzheuskaya

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AA is not a bad hand. But in Omaha often loses. Omaha is very dispersive, I think.
 
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Napkins420

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AA is strong in Omaha, but it has to be a GOOD AA, meaning something else to go with it

AA74 is junk for example

AAJ10s is a nice starting hand

But if you really want to crush Omaha you want to play wraps, 78910 double suited etc, those hands do a lot of damage most of the time
 
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Holding AA in NLHE, you can bet big to force out the marginal hands before they bite you on the river. In Omaha, many players will see the flop at least, at which time your AA can be a meaningless hand.
 
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You get aces more often in omaha than in hold'em because you get dealt 4 cards in omaha. Aces in omaha are always good to get it in preflop but they can be hard to play postflop and you'll rarely win the pot with just the pair of aces.
 
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val4a102

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AAA is the best cards preflop,but in omaha after 5 cards AA (1 pair hand) rarely will win
 
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zannie27

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Hands down Holdem.. Granted pocket Aces get cracked in Holdem but in Omaha especially 8 game, even if you spike trips on the flop the odds usually are that your Aces won't hold.. More cards=more playable hands=more people in hands.. So.. Definitely Holdem!!
 
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You want to have straight and flush possibilities as well as your AA big pair . When you begin with 4 cards in PLO , there are actually 6 different 2 card combinations . If they all work together you really have a powerhouse . You could have 2 nut flush possibilities , 3 broadway straight chances , and a 2 pair hand ( that could fill up too ) .
 
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paulsmall007

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its still a good hand, double suited wraps would be better than pocket aces tho
 
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I dont like AA when PLO, because in PLO is easier to have a straight or flush to have a set, and if the river u got a pair, it is a huge risk that the other players can have better hands
 
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because in Omaha 2 cards are needed to compose a combination. and AA do not help much
 
Trick1988

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The usual hand is that in Holdem is considered a monster - Street, flash, full house, quads ...
 
vinnie

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Because, if you want to use one of the other 2 cards in your hand to combine with the 3 community cards, than only one of your a's is valid meaning everyone else is entitled to the other pairs that show up and will probably 3kind you out.
Now you are offering Omaha wisdom? Have you even played more than a dozen hands of real money Omaha?

AAxx is a strong hand in Omaha. If the money goes in before the flop, you will almost certainly have the best of it. But, the game is pot-limit and the money almost certainly won't be all-in before the flop. You are probably going to see a flop with it.

In hold'em hand values are fairly static. If you had the best hand preflop, you will have the best hand on the flop the vast majority of the time. And the best hand on the flop remains the best and the turn most of the time. Same thing for turn to river.

This is not the case for Omaha. Hand values are very dynamic. AAxx will still be the best hand (heads up) on a lot of flops, but significantly less flops than AA would still be best in hold'em. And, those times when it is best, your opponent could have multiple draws, pair plus draws, and so on to where they have the equity to get the money in and see the river. If you 3-bet your AAxx hand (which you should most of the time), it is usually obvious what you have. Most players don't 3-bet other hands often enough.

It gets worse. You don't know what draws your opponent has on the flop. So a board of 9c8d3c is just horrible when you have AAxx and no clubs. Any club or a 5, 6, 7, 10, J, or Q completes an obvious draw your opponent might have. If the 8 or 9 pairs, they could have trips. That is like 2/3rds of the deck that could have changed the leader. On the turn, if there is still lots of money, you will have to guess if your opponent is bluffing or hit.

The nuts on the flop is rarely the nuts by the river. AAxx is still a powerhouse hand and should be treated as such. It just isn't as obviously profitable as AA in hold'em.
 
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Now you are offering Omaha wisdom? Have you even played more than a dozen hands of real money Omaha?

AAxx is a strong hand in Omaha. If the money goes in before the flop, you will almost certainly have the best of it. But, the game is pot-limit and the money almost certainly won't be all-in before the flop. You are probably going to see a flop with it.

In hold'em hand values are fairly static. If you had the best hand preflop, you will have the best hand on the flop the vast majority of the time. And the best hand on the flop remains the best and the turn most of the time. Same thing for turn to river.

This is not the case for Omaha. Hand values are very dynamic. AAxx will still be the best hand (heads up) on a lot of flops, but significantly less flops than AA would still be best in hold'em. And, those times when it is best, your opponent could have multiple draws, pair plus draws, and so on to where they have the equity to get the money in and see the river. If you 3-bet your AAxx hand (which you should most of the time), it is usually obvious what you have. Most players don't 3-bet other hands often enough.

It gets worse. You don't know what draws your opponent has on the flop. So a board of 9c8d3c is just horrible when you have AAxx and no clubs. Any club or a 5, 6, 7, 10, J, or Q completes an obvious draw your opponent might have. If the 8 or 9 pairs, they could have trips. That is like 2/3rds of the deck that could have changed the leader. On the turn, if there is still lots of money, you will have to guess if your opponent is bluffing or hit.

The nuts on the flop is rarely the nuts by the river. AAxx is still a powerhouse hand and should be treated as such. It just isn't as obviously profitable as AA in hold'em.
I stated a fact not an opinion.
 
vinnie

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I stated a fact not an opinion.
A 'fact' that was meaningless and offered no value or contribution to this discussion. If you are using one (or more) of your other cards, you are making a hand better than a pair of Aces. That would be a good thing.

The fact that you are not using one of your aces does not increase the chances that your opponent has trips. And, your response implies that trips is what you are worried about beating you. You really have no idea how the game works or plays. It is best to not display that in public.
 
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A 'fact' that was meaningless and offered no value or contribution to this discussion. If you are using one (or more) of your other cards, you are making a hand better than a pair of Aces. That would be a good thing.

The fact that you are not using one of your aces does not increase the chances that your opponent has trips. And, your response implies that trips is what you are worried about beating you. You really have no idea how the game works or plays. It is best to not display that in public.
Every single person other than you agreed entirely with me in this thread. You are just being a little sh**head to me at any given opportunity and no one is even joining anymore.
 
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