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Wow, the great Stu Ungar asking for advice, I'm impressed! You've helped me out tremendously on this forum, so I'll do the best I can. I'm in no way an expert in live tournaments but I have played in dozens of them and I have won a few as well.

The first thing I can tell you is that in live tournaments, you don't have a hud, so be very observant and take mental notes. When you first sit down at the table, immediately start observing all the players at the table. Things to look out for:

- When players look at their cards. If a player looks at his cards before it's his turn to act - most likely a beginner/casual player. Solid/experienced players will wait until it's their turn to act before looking at their cards.

- Listen to players talk, listen to how they bet, etc. Get a good feel for experience levels.

- Chip protectors/players protecting their cards. If they do, they've done it before, if they don't, they haven't, pretty simple.

- Try to determine who the table sheriffs are (don't try to bluff and steal from them), who the maniacs are (set them up for a trap), who the weak/passives are (steal/bluff them), who the call stations are (get value from them) and who the solid tags are (play your best game against them).

As far as strategy, tight is right for tournament play. Wait for good cards, in position. Only play monsters from early position and come in strong. Do not necessarily raise 3x, 4x the bb with good cards. Observe what the table is doing. If you see that 3+ people on average are coming in when someone raises 3x, then you obviously need to raise more if you're looking to isolate. I know this isn't what Philthy is telling you but it has worked for me.

Since the tournament is most likely what you would consider a "turbo" online with the blinds increasing every 15-20 minutes, you may need to take a "take down the pot" approach. Realize that you have a limited amount of time and chips here, this is not a 300 bb deep stack cash game. Getting a strong draw to fold in these types of tournaments isn't necessarily a bad thing and if they don't fold, you're getting plenty of value when they don't hit, ;)

Pay attention to blind levels. As they go up, so should your agression when you enter a pot. I do recommend c betting, try to avoid double and triple barreling if you don't have at least 60+ bb. Remember, this is a live tournament, most people will be playing ABC poker.

Best of luck to you and let us know what happens!
 
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Remember that you wont be getting many hands per blind level. I play live tournaments a couple of times a week that have 15 minute blind levels. In each level there will generally only be about 8-10 hands played.

Try to keep an eye on all the stack sizes at your table. This was the hardest part of playing live when I first started, just knowing which chips are worth how much etc...

Best tip is to not take it too seriously and have fun!
 
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I don't got any advice, but there are great tips in the thread. I'm yet to play in a live tourney, but with the advice here i'll be more prepared. Thx everyone for posting helpful tips. :)
 
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Well got busted out after 3 hrs.

There were two very sucky hands.

1. I had 2 pair on the flop, bet out got raised, called. turn was a blank .. I called to prevent anyone thinking they were getting "great odd to call with a FD" intending to shove the turn if the didnt flush hit. I shoved the turn.. massive overbet and instantly got called.. flush hit and I lost a fair few chips.

Made it back to average stack size before the break.

2. After the break many people were plaing shove or fold. I had AK. torn between shoving or smooth calling and shoving the flop. Big raise before me, so I figures, shove. Guy flips over A6, flop brings the Ace, turn and river are 6's giving him a FH.

Down to an M of 9 I think.. 3 people went all in, I hand A2. I figured, OK I'm probably beat, but the chance of tripping my stack and possibly clinging on by the skin of my teeth was worth it.

Preflop I actually had the best hand! but some guy with 86s actually made a FH!!

So I was out!

Still I enjoyed the night so will probably return!

I think it was the night for FH's I made one myself when I checked the BB awith Q3 on a Q33 board. One guy led out small, I called but that was it, nomore money went in the pot, I raised the turn and he folded.. everyone else went out on the flop. (unfortuantly Mr I cant fold a hand was on a smoking break at that point!)
 
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Welcome to Live Donkament Tourneys - :smile:
 
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especially when you get the retarded old man who is constantly counting how many chips he has... it's like "DUDE GTFO ALREADY!"







WTF, I have yet to sit down at a live table & already your makin fun of me. :eek: :)

Glad you enjoyed the experience Stu, quick study like you ought to do well live.
 
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Yeah 4 limpers to every pot!

hehe...

Not so much blind stealing, but one thing I would advocate more so for live play especially if the table is passive (which it may well be) I like to raise limped pots pre, and with 2+ limpers my range for doing this gets a lot lot wider, as the blinds start to go up you can pick up pots without a flop and if they limp/call, a cbet will often take down a tasty pot and boost your stack. This is particularly effective from the button and the cut off.

;)

Nice to see you enjoyed it, where did you play, somewhere local, London/Nottingham? If you decide to make it a regular thing trust me it's ALL ABOUT the post tourney busto degen cash action :D
 
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There is a guy where I play that is on the hottest streak right now. He plays soo bad, I try and get on his table every time I play as I know there will be chips flying about everywhere. Since I started playing late last year I have not seen him cash once. Until now, He has won 5 out of the last 8 tourneys! These are tournaments with between 40 and 80 people so that is quite an amazing feat... Im still going to try to get on his table as his confidence will be through the roof and ill just sit there patiently waiting for my big hand. Then hell probably suck out on me...
 
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There is a guy where I play that is on the hottest streak right now. He plays soo bad, I try and get on his table every time I play as I know there will be chips flying about everywhere. Since I started playing late last year I have not seen him cash once. Until now, He has won 5 out of the last 8 tourneys! These are tournaments with between 40 and 80 people so that is quite an amazing feat... Im still going to try to get on his table as his confidence will be through the roof and ill just sit there patiently waiting for my big hand. Then hell probably suck out on me...

You get to choose where you sit? :eek: That's ace! With the numbers I assume this isn't some sort of back door game?
 
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One thing I should say is how I thought the night represented good value for money.

1. I was mistaken, the entrance fee was $50 rather than $100 (I thought it was a double chance rebuy, but in fact it was a double chance freeze-out so instead of buying 2 sets of chips at $50 each, both sets were included in the $50 entrance fee.

2. All the soft drinks were free (coke, lemonade, hot chocolate, tea coffee etc etc) This surprised me because, being the UK I was expecting to get stung about $4 for a coke (which seems to be the standard nightclub rate)

3. They kept coming around every 45 mins or so asking if you wanted anything.

4. The parking was free. When I parked in the car-park I was expecting a $10 parking charge (city centre parking this is standard) but at reception they had a sign offering a redemption ticket to casino customers.

So basically I had a night out for $60 which I think is pretty cheap really, I dont know what people in the USA think to that but here in the UK a cinema ticket some popcorn and a coke would come to around $35
 
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I take it you went to a Grosvenor then huh? Service is A+ and the coffee is good! :)

The table charge is an ok way of doing it also, and the cash in a lot of them is self dealt so if your a stingy bastard like me you don't have to tip the dealer on top of the rake! :p
 
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I take it you went to a Grosvenor then huh? Service is A+ and the coffee is good! :)

The table charge is an ok way of doing it also, and the cash in a lot of them is self dealt so if your a stingy bastard like me you don't have to tip the dealer on top of the rake! :p


No it was the Broadway in Birmingham

http://www.broadwaycasino.co.uk/
 
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Well got busted out after 3 hrs.

There were two very sucky hands.

1. I had 2 pair on the flop, bet out got raised, called. turn was a blank .. I called to prevent anyone thinking they were getting "great odd to call with a FD" intending to shove the turn if the didnt flush hit. I shoved the turn.. massive overbet and instantly got called.. flush hit and I lost a fair few chips.

Live poker = rigged. ;)

Made it back to average stack size before the break.

2. After the break many people were plaing shove or fold. I had AK. torn between shoving or smooth calling and shoving the flop. Big raise before me, so I figures, shove. Guy flips over A6, flop brings the Ace, turn and river are 6's giving him a FH.

Live poker = rigged. ;)

Down to an M of 9 I think.. 3 people went all in, I hand A2. I figured, OK I'm probably beat, but the chance of tripping my stack and possibly clinging on by the skin of my teeth was worth it.

Preflop I actually had the best hand! but some guy with 86s actually made a FH!!

Live poker = rigged. ;)

So I was out!

Live poker = rigged. ;)

Still I enjoyed the night so will probably return!

I think it was the night for FH's I made one myself when I checked the BB awith Q3 on a Q33 board. One guy led out small, I called but that was it, nomore money went in the pot, I raised the turn and he folded.. everyone else went out on the flop. (unfortuantly Mr I cant fold a hand was on a smoking break at that point!)

Live poker = definitely rigged. :D


Thanks for the update Stu_Ungar, glad to read you had a good time & will be returning for another go @ the experience. :icon_thum
 
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