Need to be a donk

tubur69

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What about that...
I've started playing on Carbon in December 2008.
Had only some vague idea about poker and in a short time I made more than 1400 $h playing on MTT SnG and even in ring games.
Started to be interrested in poker read some books(Doyle Brunson,Greenstein, Helmuth and all the others) and tried to play as the books says.I mean playing position ,,3x bb etc.
Since then...
not only I've lost all the money but I hardly win a hand in a tournament.
Need a step back???:joyman:
 
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lol An ironic story. maybe you got confused after reading all those books.You dont need to copy everything they say.There are some usefull tips of course, however you better make your own poker style.
 
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Holy Crap!
You need to learn bankroll management!
That is great that you had such a great run, what levels were you playing to win that much first off and what levels were you playing when you lost it all?
How can you hardly win a hand in a tournament? How many hands are you playing in any given tournament? Perhaps your playing to aggressivly when the blinds are still low?
Try and figure it out, so you do not repeat the error!
 
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Take a week or two of from poker.
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Let your head clear.
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Come back to the game fresh.
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Find your own path.
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What works for you.
What works for others may and may not work for you.
What works for you may and may not work for others.

Good Luck

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happens

LoL, well that happens, ive learned that when playing online
poker that playing the odds usually doesnt work like it would
at the casino. it seems you get more respect there. But when
it comes to playing online, you have to go by betting patters and
thats pretty much the only tell you have. So by playing the odds,
etc.. online wont do you much good. besides the online poker casinos
have a rake advantage to imply the action. SO GO WITH YOUR GUT.
hope this helps and goodluck on the tables.
 
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Sad, isn't?
By the way I'm watching poker on TV trying to understand how pro's are playing.
After all those books read I find very sad to see that especially on high stakes poker most of the time the pro's are playing crap hands because (I think) their main idea is to trap some other player who's playing a decent hand.
The donk style is kinda profitable for them no?

Actually as I told you had no idea about poker so bankroll management was unknown for me.I've played even 100$ buy in tournaments finishing most of the time at the final table.
Now i'm playing at $1-2 MTT and $5 SnG and loosing a lot..
Even yesterday I was playing in a tournament$5 buy in and a guy went all in all the time.In a short time he had more than 8k chips while I was still at the original 1,5 k stack.
Got kk on the button he was bb. Raised 5 times bb of course that he came to see it.Flop 369 rainbow.I've raised 500 he went all in I've called.
He shows 62 and at the river came an other 6.
Wtf!!!
I remember when I was a donk I had the same runs..
So it is profitable to be a donk.

By the way I've missspeled it.
I made 1400 $ in a month not $1400 per hour.
Sorry.
 
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By the way I've missspeled it.
I made 1400 $ in a month not $1400 per hour.
Sorry.

I don't play cash games, but I've been losing in tournaments and sitngos more than I did when I just played lots of hands, and knew nothing about strategy (had just learned all the cards).. Since I joined CardsChat, that is. haha.

So it's not just you :)
 
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You are reading books buy Guys who wouldn't be playing poker online if they didn't have a Grand-daughter or daughter to show them how to turn on a computer. My point is game types are different. Ring play is different from SnG. SnG play is different from MTT. Brick and Mortar play is different to online play.

As for watching play on TV---that's funny.

Keep on learning. Ups and downs are part of poker. If you do not have strong bankroll management, then your lows will crush your highs.
 
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wait so you lost $1400 in $5 and $1-2 tourneys?

Also HSP it's a bunch of really good players and they are playing pretty deep (so a lot more money left behind postflop to allow for playing a wider range of hands preflop). If you're only playing at the most $5 tourneys playing ABC poker should be pretty profitable. Play good hands, bet when you hit, check and fold when you miss.

Anyway I really have a hard time believing that you lost 300+ buy-ins without doing anything until you lost it all.

Also idk if someone has said it but if your depth of poker understanding is reading Super System and Hellmuth (and this was AFTERwards too) you got extremely lucky to win at the $100 tourneys.
 
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I agree with some of the others you have to play your own style and depends on whos at the table and your stack at the table..Online poker is different than live....good luck at the tables, I hope you get your stack back....Tina
 
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If only i'd deposited before I had a grasp on the fundamentals!

So thats my problem!

Sounds like you're playing the wrong stakes. There is no reason a new player should be dumping $1400 on the felt(Except in Howard Lederers wet dreams). Like some of the other players said...go back and reread those books. Beyond that a general understanding of the different atmosphere's at a poker table(online but especially live) comes with experience.

I'm telling you, when I first started playing poker I thought I was going pro. I look back now and all I think is "Man you were a terrible poker player". Slow down, the money is gonna be there.
 
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I've experienced it myself.
Started with a 50$ bankroll. Went up and then went back down to 20$. That's when I started playing proper poker.
It's tough and takes discipline but it's the way to go.
 
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i can't believe that the books didn't help you.
you where either playing against your own style.
you where on a bad streak and should've quit for awhile.
plus the books you read don't say do it solely this way, they're intended to inform you and you can incorporate the info into your game and develope your style.
it seems that i play too loose when i should be playing tight and tight when i should loosen up. :eek:
like i usually say unbelievable!!:eek: :smile:
 
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Is there some sort of inside joke about watching poker on t.v.? It seems a couple people are laughing at it. I watch the poker programs... I wouldn't say I'm trying to learn from them, but I find it interesting to watch other styles. Is this wrong?
 
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they only show key hands in poker tv shows ,if they showed the whole thing you,d be watching a lot of small pots and folding,nothing wrong with watching poker on tv ,but dont call an all in bet in a jammed pot with 67o and expect to win ,cause phil helmuth did it it , i watch poker occassionally but ive not learned much .
 
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Is there some sort of inside joke about watching poker on t.v.? It seems a couple people are laughing at it. I watch the poker programs... I wouldn't say I'm trying to learn from them, but I find it interesting to watch other styles. Is this wrong?

1. they edit out hands
2. they pick people not who are good but are good personalities

example: Galfond, one of the best high-stakes online guys (only one exempted from durrrr challenge, ring a bell?) was on high stakes poker. He played like a nit and didn't talk enough. They were gonna have him do 2 days but they kicked him off for basically playing good and not having a TV personality on the first day.
 
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lol it was just a good run. gg : )

you are gonna need a ton of weapons to beat the game in the long run. this is the real world where varience occurs and it will never be an easy ride. so no, the more you learn the better : )
 
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1. they edit out hands
2. they pick people not who are good but are good personalities

example: Galfond, one of the best high-stakes online guys (only one exempted from durrrr challenge, ring a bell?) was on high stakes poker. He played like a nit and didn't talk enough. They were gonna have him do 2 days but they kicked him off for basically playing good and not having a TV personality on the first day.
I disagree with your nr 2.
All of them won some major tournaments and even a lot of bracelets.
Editing the hands it's normal.
 
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This year is actually an exception because they are all pretty good imo. What about when they had people like Guy Laliberte?

Also note that I didn't say they picked bad people but I said the criteria wasn't them being good. They want entertaining people on the show. As I mentioned Phil Galfond was scheduled to be on the show twice and they booted him because he wasn't a good enough personality. It's a TV show, they want ratings, nits playing solid poker doesn't sell. After all which would people rather see, Dwan bluffing people off their trips or people making most of the money when they flop sets and someone else also flops big?
 
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If that is true than you should go back to your old playing style...
Maybe you could read players with your old style much better....
You should try to find your own style!
Do not try to copy anyone else!
 
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they show almost every hand on poker after dark. and i agree that books teach a more structurally sound poker game. they teach you when to play hands based on position, chip count, blind levels, the number of people in the hand, all of your different odds. so these books make you aware of what you need to look for but you need to figure out the style you need to play to be succesful. and it also depends on your opponents as well.
 
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This year is actually an exception because they are all pretty good imo. What about when they had people like Guy Laliberte?

Also note that I didn't say they picked bad people but I said the criteria wasn't them being good. They want entertaining people on the show. As I mentioned Phil Galfond was scheduled to be on the show twice and they booted him because he wasn't a good enough personality. It's a TV show, they want ratings, nits playing solid poker doesn't sell. After all which would people rather see, Dwan bluffing people off their trips or people making most of the money when they flop sets and someone else also flops big?
I respect your opinion but may I say this..
Zigmund and Eastgate.Doesn't seem to me that they have any entertaining skills.
About Dwan ..he played his hand. I would of reraise with trips even with a low kicker and also reraise with the pocket aces.But as you see I'm here and they are there this mean more than a few words.
 
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poker isnt just about reading books and going by htem. you have to read opponents also, yeh the majority of the time u want to play by the book but sometimes yuou have to no the player and say i call with a mediocer hand because you think he is bluffing.
 
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