Is moving to different table in live casino not tolerated?

[mig2169]

At commerce casino the largest card room in the world, the rules are as follows, u are allowed so sit out for 45 minutes, dealers session. You can table change at anytime, unless there are empty seats at other tables in that same limit. So if ur leaving a table with a couple seats empty for a full one that is not allowed. If there is a waiting list for your limit u can change at any time and no one will say anything to you. And oh by the way the dealers are great people just get to know her and ur luck when she is dealing will change.

 

[ihtennis]

you act like you think that the dealer is fixing the cards or something

 

[Wolfe]

I have never experienced this. If I want to move I just ask the floor for a table change and as soon as a seat opens on another table for the same stakes I get to take it. The only exception is when they have a stake set up with a main table and must move tables. Then they move you when it is your turn to move and your only choices are to stop playing or move. 5/10 isn't a limit that usually warrents must move in my experience.

If you were as "honest" with the dealer about your motives as you were with us, then I can see the floor backing the dealer even if that isn't the policy. The last rule on almost every casinos list is, "All decisions by the floor are final." So they can pretty much do what they want, but generally act fairly unless someone p***es in their cheerios.

 

[LizzyJ]

Although I will admit I have been too active in recent years at live play, but back in the good 'ol days, I never had any trouble changing tables. Sometimes I had to wait because there was a line, but generally speaking if there was a seat open I was never turned down.

The OP seems to be having some issues in the last several months in casinos. Didn't the OP getting into several verbal confrontations in one day? One combatant being a senior citizen? Now trouble with changing tables and blaming a dealer for his bad beats. For some reason he doesn't come off as being a pleasant person at the tables. Sometimes those negative vibes come back to bite back at you. Not trying to pick a fight or play Dr. Phil......just an observation.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

I realize that hating a dealer is MY problem. So there were three options for me. Option 1 is to tell the dealer to go away. Option 2 is to simply play in the table. Option 3 is to simply leave and go to different table. I decided to choose option 3. I felt that Option 3 was an ideal option because if I have trouble with the dealer, I should leave and avoid her since that's my problem. But what does she do? She tries to prevent me from moving to a different table. I don't get the purpose of why people can't just move to different same-stake table when they don't even have more than maximum buy-in. Dealers are great people but she was an exception. When I faced bad beats, there are dealers who can treat every players for them to stay at the table and enjoy poker while there are dealers who pisses people off. There are dealers who treat me very well and are still sociable where I can digest bad beats easily and stay in the table longer and re-buy, even tip them more once I win my money back or win in general, and there are dealers who dont' know how to treat the players. I remember her criticizing my play, asking me why I called a pre-flop raise with 8Tc when I flopped a straight and lost to running flush. It's enough for me to digest a bad beat, I don't need someone telling me how to play poker or criticize me.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Although I will admit I have been too active in recent years at live play, but back in the good 'ol days, I never had any trouble changing tables. Sometimes I had to wait because there was a line, but generally speaking if there was a seat open I was never turned down.

The OP seems to be having some issues in the last several months in casinos. Didn't the OP getting into several verbal confrontations in one day? One combatant being a senior citizen? Now trouble with changing tables and blaming a dealer for his bad beats. For some reason he doesn't come off as being a pleasant person at the tables. Sometimes those negative vibes come back to bite back at you. Not trying to pick a fight or play Dr. Phil......just an observation.

I was being polite, simply left the table just because I didn't like her. I know that hating the dealer is MY problem, so therefore, I'm the one who should leave. I did just that. But what does she do? She prevents me from moving to different table. I felt like a most pleasant person by not insulting her or by not filing a complaint to the casino that dealer is rude since there are forms where I can file complaint about employees. I got anger problems but I held in my anger and politely asked the floorperson to change my table. I do agree that blaming a dealer for my past bad beats is ridiculous and stupid but that's only because it's a psychological thing. My bad beats in my casino is conditioned to her dealing. That's my problem. Since that's my problem, I have to deal with it. That's why I wanted to leave and move to different table without saying a word. But she prevents me from moving as if I'm a prisoner of a table.

 

[Goodwooter]

the casino across the street from my home, that is not possible...if you left a table, you would be waiting an hour or 2 of a seat unless you are willing to play limit, most casinos change dealers every 20/30 minutes anyway, so dont base your move on a certain dealer, you will likely see her again shortly anyway.

gl to you
wooter

 

[ythelongface]

seems an easy solution would be just get and take a walk for 15-20 while she is dealing. if she is tapping a dealer out, most likely she is just running breaks and its not her main table. i really dont get too worried about what dealer i have in poker though...blackjack however is another matter.

 

[bob_tiger]

Two days ago, I visited casino and played 5/10. I started with 30 blinds and got upto 50. But when dealer changed, I decided to move to a different table. Dealer told me that I can't move. I told her that I'm moving because I don't like her. Reason for this was because last few of my horrible bad beats that I remember, she was my dealer. I just couldn't stand this dealer. I couldn't stand it to the point where I would probably fold pocket Aces pre-flop since I know she's gonna flop bullshit for random donks or give miracle turn/river cards for other people. I talked to the floorperson. He said it's not tolerated but he still granted my request and moved me. I told him the reason why I wanted to move and he told me that it's part of casino policy. He told me unless I'm moving to a higher or lower stake, I'm not allowed to move to different same stake table with the chipstack I have on current table. I told him that I'm moving because I hate this dealer.

I usually stay in one table and play for a long time but two nights ago, watching her dealing me cards made me want to fold every hand or every nuts. I even folded pocket 2s from a button in an unraised pot. I would probably even fold flopped nuts because she f--ked me over so many times in the past. If I flop nuts, my opponents will get runner-runner miracle cards to get superior hand. I mentioned about my bad beat on this forum long time ago where I had pocket 6s and my opponent had AcKs and flop was 6c7cKd. My opponent who had TPTK gets his running flush. Another bad beat I can remember where she was my dealer was the time when I flopped a straight and my opponent with TPTK gets running flush. I had 8c10c and flop came out all rainbow 79J. My opponent who had JK diamonds called my all-in bet and hit his running flush. When I recall my bad beats, she was my dealer.

Anyone know a reason why you're not allowed to move to different table in casino? Online, you can move to different table or do whatever you want. But in casino, they have policies where they won't let you move to different table with current chipstack u have in current table. I think it's very ridiculous. It's not like I had monster stack and decided to join a table full of short-stack to grind up/bully their chips because the different table I moved to had people who had nearly amount or more chips than me.

I ended up coming out even with 50 dollar profit(5 blind profit) because I was card dead towards late night and decided to come out while I still have my money. But I'm surprised why casinos won't let you move to different same-stake table when I barely have over two times the minimum buy-in during that time.

hate to judge you since i have never seen you play but you are thinking like a bad player would, dealers are paid just to deal cards, casinos don't care who wins long as they get their rake. if you don't like the dealer just leave and comeback another day or sit out like mentioned in above posts. also i would buy in for the max and try to make max profit if i was playing.

 

[ukaliks]

my casino only plays 1 cash table. So if i didnt like the dealer then im buggerd really haha.
But never ever ever fold the nuts pre-flop or on the flop etc jus bcos u dont like the dealer.
U got ur money in with good hands and these ppl sucked out on u. So what? deal with it. it's poker. These ppl who seem to hit runner runner sound like fish who u can easily take there money. Mite book my self a plane ride to california. Which is ur casino? haha

 

[zachvac]

Trust me, this is how much I disgust dealer. She f--ked me over so many times. If I recall, I probably lost nearly $1000 total if I add up my bad beats when she was my dealer. I lost over 500 from last bad beat I encountered, about 300 from losing with flopped straight, and about 200 to some idiot who had inferior hand than mine during pre-flop. Even if I were to flop the nuts, someone with a single pair will get running flush or a boat that'll improve their hand. Few of my runner bad beats were dealt by her. I felt like I was the most sincere person in the world by not flicking her off and walking away politely. I have anger problems but for me to do that was a very good self-control of myself. This is how much I hated this dealer.

Wait, so all this whining about all these bad beats and it's one buy-in? Really? I'd hate to see what happened when you hit a real downswing. Plus you're shortstacking which is even higher variance if you play it properly and burning money if you're not playing it properly (are you bluff shoving or bluff 3-betting to call a shove preflop sometimes? If not you're burning money)

My advice is move down and buy in full so you can be comfortable losing one buy-in instead of getting pissed at the dealer. At 5/10 you should be able to lose 1k to a bad beat and just sigh reach in pocket and reload. If you can't do that you probably shouldn't be playing that high and you're likely one of the fish at the table.

As to your actual question I've only been to Turning Stone and they allow table changes basically you tell the people at the front then if a seat opens up on another table first they look to see if people at another table want a seat change then they get the people from the board and put them in empty seats. So if you're on one table and someone else left another table you'd go over there and first on the waiting list would get your old seat.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Wait, so all this whining about all these bad beats and it's one buy-in? Really? I'd hate to see what happened when you hit a real downswing. Plus you're shortstacking which is even higher variance if you play it properly and burning money if you're not playing it properly (are you bluff shoving or bluff 3-betting to call a shove preflop sometimes? If not you're burning money)

My advice is move down and buy in full so you can be comfortable losing one buy-in instead of getting pissed at the dealer. At 5/10 you should be able to lose 1k to a bad beat and just sigh reach in pocket and reload. If you can't do that you probably shouldn't be playing that high and you're likely one of the fish at the table.

As to your actual question I've only been to Turning Stone and they allow table changes basically you tell the people at the front then if a seat opens up on another table first they look to see if people at another table want a seat change then they get the people from the board and put them in empty seats. So if you're on one table and someone else left another table you'd go over there and first on the waiting list would get your old seat.

This isn't online where buy-ins can range from 20 blinds to 100 blinds or 40 blinds to 200 blinds. In the tables, buy-in ranges are from 20 blinds to 50 blinds. I mostly buy-in for 30 blinds because I manage really well with it. 30 blinds is good enough to play solid poker. Online, 30 blinds aren't enough because you have people who buy-in for 100 blinds or more. But in tables where they have maximum of 50 blinds buy-in, 30 blinds is enough. Not short-stacked but not deep-stack either. If you honestly think 30 blinds is short-stacked, then good luck with tournaments during late stages of tournaments. I buy-in between of 30-50 blinds in live cash games while I buy-in 50 blinds minimum online on full tilt and 100 blinds on ultimate bet. I avoid buying in maximum because my play become very loose. I rather start off medium-stacked.

 

[zachvac]

This isn't online where buy-ins can range from 20 blinds to 100 blinds or 40 blinds to 200 blinds. In the tables, buy-in ranges are from 20 blinds to 50 blinds. I mostly buy-in for 30 blinds because I manage really well with it. 30 blinds is good enough to play solid poker. Online, 30 blinds aren't enough because you have people who buy-in for 100 blinds or more. But in tables where they have maximum of 50 blinds buy-in, 30 blinds is enough. Not short-stacked but not deep-stack either. If you honestly think 30 blinds is short-stacked, then good luck with tournaments during late stages of tournaments. I buy-in between of 30-50 blinds in live cash games while I buy-in 50 blinds minimum online on full tilt and 100 blinds on ultimate bet. I avoid buying in maximum because my play become very loose. I rather start off medium-stacked.

I just got back from playing live, I played the 5/10 table the night it ran. Unfortunately the poker room isn't as big as some other ones so 5/10 was the highest that ran and there was only one table even Saturday night. Every single player at the table had at least 1k.

Also you misunderstood me. You can play solid poker with any stack over min, I just don't believe you are. If you're whining about losing 100 blinds I highly doubt you are shipping in 25-30 over a LP raise with hands like SCs or depending on the table hands like AJ/KQ, which is the kind of play you should be making if you have that kind of stack size.

The problem is this style of play leads to high variance, which means you're even more likely to lose 1k because you'll be flipping so often while if you're just nitting it up like I suspect you are you're not playing your stack optimally.

Also, this statement is completely false:

"Online, 30 blinds aren't enough because you have people who buy-in for 100 blinds or more."

If everyone at the table buys in for 30 big blinds or 30 million big blinds, it's the exact same in your eyes if you buy in for 30 big blinds. Since no one else can make you call for more than your 30 it's the same thing. So why would it suddenly not be enough when people have more?

 

[Wolfe]

3 Bad Beats?!?!?!?

You took 3 bad be the beats in a session. :boxing: :damnmate: :egg:
One dealer dealt all three. :secruity:
This is way too small a sample for you to draw any conclusion other than variance. :stupido2:

I don't believe these were the only bad beats you took. Probably just the biggest. You probably won a few hands when she was dealing as well, the pots just weren't as big. If you can't handle the variance at this level then you are probably playing with scared money and long term, you will just bleed money. :heeeellll

 

[OzExorcist]

Can't believe I actually read through this thread.

Casino policy is casino policy - you can no more do anything about this rule than you can about their policy on showing cards during a hand or how much rake they take. Admittedly this seems like kind of an odd policy and most casinos wouldn't follow it, but they've probably got a reason.

Also, dealers move from table to table. If you explained the reason you wanted to move was because you didn't want that dealer, I can see why they denied it. You could move tables and then demand to be moved again when that dealer gets rotated onto your new table, which is a pain in the arse for all concerned.

I'd suggest either getting over it or just sitting out from the table during that dealer's rotation if you really can't get yourself under control.

 

[ean]

You really believe that dealer is the cause here? Oh well, I guess that's your right and beside the point....if you really feel that way, then don't just sit there and fold good hands.

If you can't get a table change due to casino rules, then sit out and take your break, go eat something for 20-30 mins and that dealer will be gone when you get back.

 

[chattin35]

Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about... when I walk into a casino, they usually smile and say, "we've got the perfect table for you!" and point to the one with all the guys in sunglasses who look up and smile when they see me walking over. But, I can pick the table anytime I want .