kkuk
Rock Star
Bronze Level
hi.you are always likely to lose.but it has its advantages,you can rethink where you made a mistake and raise your level.I will not say that losing sometimes is inevitable,it is possible that poker masters do not lose at all at tables with average players.but the probability of losing is always there, so this is part of poker.
Therminator
Rock Star
Silver Level
Kinda hard to gauge on how much is normal but they do happen often. Every hand and every flop and turn have percentages on the likelihood of how likely you are to win. It's not often that the Percentage is 100% so almost every hand there's a chance to lose.
diego farfan
Legend
Silver Level
eberetta1
Legend
Loyaler
Yeah. For me I have like 3 days a month where I can do no wrong playing poker, and 27 days where if I sit there and play all day, there is no making money on those days. It would not matter to me, except I play the same way on both type of days.
I see bad beats at least 30 percent more often than should occur. You see too many times the big stack bias. I have been a programmer, so I know the b.s. I can type into the programming to make 1 + 1 equal 7, so when they say crap is on the up and up, you can feel when bull is going on. I have seen enough bad beats for example where a2 wins ace face way more than I should see in my lifetime. My a2 will never win because I fold trash, and the only time a2 is not trash is when you have other peoples chips in your stack already and can waste the time to go in and get rewarded.
I see bad beats at least 30 percent more often than should occur. You see too many times the big stack bias. I have been a programmer, so I know the b.s. I can type into the programming to make 1 + 1 equal 7, so when they say crap is on the up and up, you can feel when bull is going on. I have seen enough bad beats for example where a2 wins ace face way more than I should see in my lifetime. My a2 will never win because I fold trash, and the only time a2 is not trash is when you have other peoples chips in your stack already and can waste the time to go in and get rewarded.
Claudiunm
Legend
Platinum Level
Bad beats are already an anomaly in themselves. Don't think about how many are normal. Think about what to do to escape them. Sometimes, if you are at a table where there is a donkey the best thing to do is leave the table. That simple. However, if you choose to stay, adjust your game to his. Stay out of a few hands watching how he plays. If on the one hand you can take Bad Beats for a donkey, on the other hand, by adjusting your game to his you can find a gold mine.
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futureballoon
Rock Star
Silver Level
If you're having that many bad beats, maybe you're going to showdown too often? Try being more selective on which hands you play and which cards you're really going to take to the end. I think if you fold more hands you can reduce the variance and amount of bad beats.
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SuiGeneris89
Rock Star
Silver Level
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SuiGeneris89
Rock Star
Silver Level
it just seems so logical, but it doesn't play out that way
sounds like you are talking about cash games, where it is easy to leave the table and play elsewhere.
But my last 3 busts I was getting pushed around by aggro donkeys and waited for the right time.
I flopped a set and checked and they jam 5x the pot with nothing. Ace high. Runner runner flush.
I waited for 20 minutes to finally can this jagoff and from 96% on the flop he jams.... I assume you say I am to fold here? no. I don't care if he has a better set and i almost don't care when his 2p rivers the FH, but when you have ace high and get to take the second biggest stack at the table for a bad play?
Same last night, final 2 in a satellite.
Called twice with marginal hands while I was the much bigger stack.
Lost to 3 outters both times.
Then was min raised with AK on the BB and I jam and he snap calls K7o and hits his 3 outter for the 3rd time.
It sounds just so easy to adjust or walk away, but in reality, those of us grinding lowstakes see this every day.
I don't know enough about statistics, but realistically in 1,000 hands, how often should you lose when you are the 90%+ favorite? It would seem like around 100 but it plays around 300-400 times... is this not too frequently?
sounds like you are talking about cash games, where it is easy to leave the table and play elsewhere.
But my last 3 busts I was getting pushed around by aggro donkeys and waited for the right time.
I flopped a set and checked and they jam 5x the pot with nothing. Ace high. Runner runner flush.
I waited for 20 minutes to finally can this jagoff and from 96% on the flop he jams.... I assume you say I am to fold here? no. I don't care if he has a better set and i almost don't care when his 2p rivers the FH, but when you have ace high and get to take the second biggest stack at the table for a bad play?
Same last night, final 2 in a satellite.
Called twice with marginal hands while I was the much bigger stack.
Lost to 3 outters both times.
Then was min raised with AK on the BB and I jam and he snap calls K7o and hits his 3 outter for the 3rd time.
It sounds just so easy to adjust or walk away, but in reality, those of us grinding lowstakes see this every day.
I don't know enough about statistics, but realistically in 1,000 hands, how often should you lose when you are the 90%+ favorite? It would seem like around 100 but it plays around 300-400 times... is this not too frequently?
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caracaski220
Visionary
Bronze Level
caracaski220
Bab beats are a part of poker. you have to live with it. You will get bad beats at any level. However at higher stakes you wont get to many allin calls from 35 off ,J2 off etc that drive you crazy when they stack you.
Bab beats are a part of poker. you have to live with it. You will get bad beats at any level. However at higher stakes you wont get to many allin calls from 35 off ,J2 off etc that drive you crazy when they stack you.
venycyos
Legend
Bronze Level
In my opinion the answer is here, when you play a 70 to 30 pot, you have to know that 70% of what is in the pot is rightfully yours, so as 30% of the times you lose you will only be giving back what is not yours. by right.
In fact, what I realized, even in my game, is that we were enchanted with our pair of AA (example) and we couldn't let go of it, even though we were losing.
amatola
Legend
Platinum Level
if you find out, please let me know!
But i am going through a very bad patch I will unreg, then take an hour off, and when I come back will start on smaller buy ins until i start running a bit better.
Luvepoker
Lost in the twilight zone
Community Guide
Bad beats happen and are part of the game. Its so easy to blame the software or RNG for our losses but do people ever look at the real reasons of it.
OMG its rigged i lost 3 all ins preflop on the river as bead beats. My 99 lost to AK, my TT lost to AQ and my AJ lost to 33. These are not bad beats. Thee are coin flips. You should when you have the pair win about 55% of the time and with the 2 over card win 45% on the time. Yes if you have the pair you wins only win on average 11 time in 20. But I lost 3 in a row its not fair. Do you know that that if you flip a coin you winning 3 heads in a row one time in 8? Yes its rare but also i time in that 8 you should lose as well. also 1 in 8 is not that rare.
OMG my AK lose to AX. Yes you had them dominated but what does it mean? On average you will lose just over 1 in 3 times. AdKs vs As3s will only win 67.3% of the time. While we have them in a bad spot its not as bad as it sounds. If you always get knocked out this way and its your 3rd hand like then you are getting the average loss.
OMG my aces got cracked by pocket 2's. Yes you should win 4 of 5 times and this is a bad beat but again 1 time in 5 you should lose.
Lets talk about post flop a bit, I raised and this donkey called with 72o. "OK i agree dumb call but" The flop was k73 rainbow and I bet and he called. Turn was a 7 and I get and he jammed and I called and lost. Or the flop and turn were all spades and he did the same thing. was it a bad beat? Yes your aces were beat but did you every think about the hand? 4 suited and you don't have it what are you beating. A paired board did you think he may of had the 7? These don't really fall into bad beats.
A friend of mine used to complain aces lost way more than they should. Well he showed me the proof. Hmm 4 limper in the pot and he check hi option in the BB. While he was favorite to win the hand he should only win the hand 42% of the time. Yes over 1/2 the time he should lose. He would then go broke on the flop since he had aces when some one had 2 pair or better and say it was a bad beat. Never did he say it could be his bad play.
Bad beats happen. They can happen a lot in a short time frame. The variance takes a lot of time to flatten out to what it should be. Again flip 100 pennies and you may get 70 heads the 1st time. 54 the 2nd and 51 the 3rd. You ended up with 58.3% of the pennies being heads. Is it rigged? was it unfair and wrong. Nope. It may take a million times or more to get to the point the numbers show and prove it is a 50/50 proposition.
FYI, I played in the wsop twice. in 25 hours of play "yes i took out the breaks" i never saw aces. based on 25 or 30 hands an hour that meant i saw 653-750 hands and never got aces once. Would have them once in every 212 hands and should have had the at least 3 times but nope I did not. was it rigged? nope.
OMG its rigged i lost 3 all ins preflop on the river as bead beats. My 99 lost to AK, my TT lost to AQ and my AJ lost to 33. These are not bad beats. Thee are coin flips. You should when you have the pair win about 55% of the time and with the 2 over card win 45% on the time. Yes if you have the pair you wins only win on average 11 time in 20. But I lost 3 in a row its not fair. Do you know that that if you flip a coin you winning 3 heads in a row one time in 8? Yes its rare but also i time in that 8 you should lose as well. also 1 in 8 is not that rare.
OMG my AK lose to AX. Yes you had them dominated but what does it mean? On average you will lose just over 1 in 3 times. AdKs vs As3s will only win 67.3% of the time. While we have them in a bad spot its not as bad as it sounds. If you always get knocked out this way and its your 3rd hand like then you are getting the average loss.
OMG my aces got cracked by pocket 2's. Yes you should win 4 of 5 times and this is a bad beat but again 1 time in 5 you should lose.
Lets talk about post flop a bit, I raised and this donkey called with 72o. "OK i agree dumb call but" The flop was k73 rainbow and I bet and he called. Turn was a 7 and I get and he jammed and I called and lost. Or the flop and turn were all spades and he did the same thing. was it a bad beat? Yes your aces were beat but did you every think about the hand? 4 suited and you don't have it what are you beating. A paired board did you think he may of had the 7? These don't really fall into bad beats.
A friend of mine used to complain aces lost way more than they should. Well he showed me the proof. Hmm 4 limper in the pot and he check hi option in the BB. While he was favorite to win the hand he should only win the hand 42% of the time. Yes over 1/2 the time he should lose. He would then go broke on the flop since he had aces when some one had 2 pair or better and say it was a bad beat. Never did he say it could be his bad play.
Bad beats happen. They can happen a lot in a short time frame. The variance takes a lot of time to flatten out to what it should be. Again flip 100 pennies and you may get 70 heads the 1st time. 54 the 2nd and 51 the 3rd. You ended up with 58.3% of the pennies being heads. Is it rigged? was it unfair and wrong. Nope. It may take a million times or more to get to the point the numbers show and prove it is a 50/50 proposition.
FYI, I played in the wsop twice. in 25 hours of play "yes i took out the breaks" i never saw aces. based on 25 or 30 hands an hour that meant i saw 653-750 hands and never got aces once. Would have them once in every 212 hands and should have had the at least 3 times but nope I did not. was it rigged? nope.
