This is a discussion on My big FOLD - I'm learning how to fold preflop within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; I still struggle to learn when to throw my big hands. This is one of them, what do you think?
One might say that with 3-4 people betting and raising its most likely someone has aces...
I do not subscribe to this (even though its true often)and im getting it all in with Kings in that spot. Queens probably too online... ( I play AA, KK, QQ in pretty much every single situation preflop, I dont remember any exception).
The great T.J Cloutier might recommend you fold Queens in this spot based on players play styles and situations live.
I think it was obviously a good fold but even if there was not someone with Aces you were being asked to go into the pot 4 ways which significantly reduces your equity so you could argue that folding AA in that spot would also be a correct play. I mean look who one the hand!
In conclusion, I would like to say that the "Fold" button alone will not make me much money in poker. You need to systematically and constantly work on your game, learn new materials and strategies, track field trends, and much more.
Only if I do all this in a complex, I will become a successful player. But by making friends with the "Fold" button, I will save a significant amount of money and significantly raise my winrate. This will allow me to move up the limits faster and take my game to a new level.
I believe poker is not about how many hands you can play, it's more about how many great folds you can do. I think as much as you can get more experience out of poker following you can read better and you can find more tells and finally you cand profit more
Fantastic fold. I would be complaining about a bad beat by now.
But I'm learning…
In fact, the perception I have today is that premium hands are more difficult to play. If you have a 5J for example, you will know exactly what to do. FOLD !. But with a KK it gets more difficult. If you bet low you will be allowing others to see the flop. If you bet all in, you risk that there. Thanks the guys who had aces. If they hadn’t gone all in and only the 9T guy pushed all in, I think you’d call ...
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Ok this hand make me stop by a little. I think it could be a call or a fold as well easily, it was just unlucky that the table's chipleader had Aces.
So 4-way all-in. I) If chipleader win, you are out.
II) The 3rd biggest stack had 47K, but to not to be eliminated you just had to beat the chipleader, who had 90K. So if you beated him, you could had 10+10=20K. And 20K is 33BB at that moment, if the blinds were 600/300.
III) If you beat the chipleader and the 3rd stack as well in this party but 4th stack beat you, 57K-30K=27K -> 27Kx3=81K you could have which is just 81K-57K=24K profit.
IV) If you beat chipleader, 3rd stack and 4 stack you could get 30K+48K+57K+57K=192K
So the 4 options were: -- 0K and eliminated(-95BB) -- 20K left you 33 BBs(-60BB) -- 81K which is 24K(+38BB) -- 192K which is 135K(+225BB)
I think fold here can be a great option, as the 2 most common thing that can happen is you down to 20K or up to 81K, which is not a huge win considering your level at risk. People mentioned QQ, it would be no brainer to fold for me, as KK only beaten by AA pre, but QQ are beaten by AA and KK and just have 55% against AK.
I still struggle to learn when to throw my big hands. This is one of them, what do you think?
Thank U 4 Posting
The key to the fold here is the HUD stats on the villain with AA. If you look at the other players HUD stats they indicate wider ranges but the villain with AA has HUD stats that scream AA.
What might be more important than the screen shot is the action prior to this. If the blinds are 300-600 and there were 2 raises in front of you and then you raised your raise should have been larger. So were you smooth calling 2 raises in position with KK?
Did the AA hand smooth call the AK then you raised then the AA over shove cold?
Those factors play apart in indicating that the nit had AA. You combine those actions with the HUD stats and you can fold there. You will not be right every time but it will be a very strong indicator of AA in the nits hand.
I would fold here as well. Since you are essentially calling 3 other all ins its usually safe to assume that at least one of them has AA. I think there are better spots to put your chips in for a tournament than this.
I have to admit to being extremely impressed with the OP's ability to fold K-K pre-flop. Even though I've done it before, it's not a very easy thing to do. Against one player, there is a tendency to say if he's got aces, then he's just got aces and make the call. Against multiple players, most people are going to find the opportunity to win a massive pot too tempting to resist. To feel that Spidey sense tingling and to actually listen to it takes more than a little discipline.
None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with all of you. All of you are locked in here with ME!
re: Poker & My big FOLD - I'm learning how to fold preflop
I think in that particular situation its ok given the stack sizes, but i don’t recommend fold KK preflop too often, since it can become exploitable. Though in this particular situation I’m ok with the fold preflop.