What would you classify as good freerole performance?

[topp44]

Hi everyone,
iv been playing again for alomost 2weeks now after a 12month break. When i last played i started with the freeroles and then gradulary worked up the confidence to deposit real money. I played for about 12moths and made small wins around the $5stt and mtts's. These wins allowed me to play in higher stakes games. $5/10 table games. $100stt's and $50mtt's consistentley over a few months but then i gave up after loosing $600 id been working on for over a month (from a $50 deposit) and gave up.
I never played for the last 12months. But now im starting again, and figured following the same strategy might be good. But im not shure if i should deposit yet or not? I played freeroles for months last time playing at 15games per day (never did too well) so how do i tell if im back into the
swing of my topp game again? Iv been keeping a list of positions.
Can someone who wins tell me if im doing well enough yet. The last few days results are below.

Perhaps others could contribute thre results so i can compair notes so to speak.

26/11/05
$50absolute poker freeroles out of 2000 FINISHED : 950, 499, 659, 1869, 553.
pacific poker $50 000Frerole qualifiers FINISHED 9/1500 qualified
round two finished 7/200 qualified. Final qualifier ($72mtt) 51/80

27/11/05 - didnt play

28/11/05 $50Absolute poker freerole out ov 2000 FINISHED : 676, 309, 704, 251, 94, 208, 98, 403, 584, 596, 12.

everest poker freerole 268/500

poker.com freerole 135/1000

pacific poker freerole 322/1500 44/2500 pp

29/11/05

467/2000 ap
413/2000 ap
148/2000 ap
1082/1500 pp
378/2000 ap
365/1000 p.c
404/2000 ap
145/2000 ap
93/2000 ap
229/2000 ap

30/11/05

572/2000 ap
290/2000 ap
1454/2000 ap
213/2000 ap
2431/2800 pp
231/2000 ap
454/2000 ap
625/2000 ap
16/2000 ap

1/12/05 didnt play mtt's built up $3 from 5c stt freerole on everst then lost it all.

2/12/05 played my $10free from pokertime, built up to $16 then my streight(a-5) vs trips got cracked by quad 3333 on the river.

3/12/05

190/2000 ap
1848/2800 ap
132/2000 ap
124/2000 ap
27/332 ap
593/2000 ap
201/2000 ap
15/2000 ap
93/2000 ap
(most of todays games were played in parallel [6 at one time] which wasnt as hard as i expected)

does anyone know if my results are good enough to concider moving up a few notches? I know i should wait untill io get a decent win in a freerole, but $10 still only enables me to play 2/4c at the most and a bad run would wipe me. (and a good run would get me $100 )

gl everyone.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

You were playing 5/10 and $100s with a $600 bankroll? You seem to be concerned with the wrong thing - you're worrying about your performance in these freerolls when it seems to me that your bankroll management (or lack of) is the real problem here.

Dude, deposit $50 or so again somewhere and play with it properly. Start at something like .25/.50 and the odd $5 SnG (maybe for every $5-10 you win at the rings, enter a SnG) and work your way up slowly as your bankroll grows. Playing a tournament for a sixth of your bankroll is poker suicide - it's no wonder you went broke.

 

[topp44]

hi there,

thanks for the reply. I do understand what your saying about the bankrole to buyin fee ratio and theory behind being able to handle the swings. But i want trying to create a strategy wherebye i would constantley win... just wanted to climb the mountain as fast as poss. I eventually lost it at $500NL on party poker in one hand and was a little annoyed so i didnt play again for a while. I would have been up to $1400 had i won that hand.

To be fair i never realey belived the 10x the buyin thing. I understand why they say it... but if i enter a $10stt and loose 9 before i win a couple im simpley not good enough, or my strategy is wrong.

Anyway... am i freeroling ok?

 

[Dennis C]

Well Dorkus is absolutely correct in his statements. As for your free roll performance I'll offer up my two cents. Your Pacific poker is some what impressive, but your Absolute play is not that good. These bring 2000 ppl to the game and 3 to 5 hundred get kicked out after the first level. If you are not aware of it the players that don't play a hand in level 1 get pulled out. This is a good thing if you ask me. Anyway, you then have another 1400 or so that will go all-in at the drop of a hat. This cuts the field to somewhere between 300 and 500 right after 1st break. Here is where you get your merit. If you have a decent game you will now be playing poker with better ppl. They still may have a couple that do dumb shit, but over all there better. From here in my book you should get into the top 100 a lot to be considered a good free roller. Then you make the money a few more times and you know you've came a long way. If you do good consistently on AP you will have learned patience for putting up with idiots and skill for knowing when to hold or fold. Keep an eye on your position at the tables. If you have a mid pocket pair and there are 2 or 3 raises, fold. Late in the game you will learn restraint and what gets the job done hand wise. I hope this helps and dose not fall on deaf ears. If you have any other questions about this subject feel free to PM me.

 

[topp44]

thanks a lot for the reply.

another few days then.

and i should be aiming for lots of topp100's.

then there is the 2nd issuse... (not loosing my $1) but il move onto that after iv won another one.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

To be fair i never realey belived the 10x the buyin thing. I understand why they say it... but if i enter a $10stt and loose 9 before i win a couple im simpley not good enough, or my strategy is wrong.

Anyway... am i freeroling ok?

Incorrect. The best player in the world could go 9 SnGs without cashing, such are the wonders of variance. If you play often enough, every single player will have a bad run, which may be no fault of their own and more due to them losing in a lot of vital coinflips, or enduring a few suckouts. I've cashed in 10 SnGs in a row before and also finished out of the money in 10 in a row before - does that make me a really good or really bad player?

...and your results are fine. Small sample size, but one thing is it looks like you're going out just in the quite money a lot (depending on payout structures). Play to win! What's the point in playing for 4 hours for a buck? When bubble time approaches you should be getting more aggressive, not less - sure sometimes you will bubble out but this will be more than made up for by the number of times you hit the "big" money at the final table.

 

[topp44]

yeh, that last comment is true... i keep getting dollers. lol . oh well, dollers are good.

Iv been mopuntain climbing today. Trying to crack everest poker is fun becuase you have the opertunaty to start from zero and raise 5c for free and enter a 4cstt. then a10c stt. etc.
Im up to 36c at the end of the day but im always breaking your cardinal rule. After i win the 4c stt and get 20c i should play the 4c games over and over to $1 then i can enter the 10cstt's. and so on etc. But it takes to long, i know im better than them, iv broken this level before. So il keep playing zero buyins and get to 55c. (no point risking my 4c lol)then il play a heads up with the whole thing. But am i wrong to do this>? My whole 55c is at steak!. I dont think im wrong, becuase il win that heads up (75% ov the time) and get to $1. Then il drop back to 10c stt's and try to reach $1.5. Then il take another 75% chance on the 50c heads up again if i loose im back to one doller and 10c mtt's. If i win iv got $2 and im playing a $1 stt. Do you see what im trying to get at? I loose the $1 im back to the 10c stts. if i get 1'st or 2nd im around $3-5. So now i can take 3 more shots at the $1 and try to build. I know from past experiance (hundreds of the things) that if i dont get payed 1/3.5 games then something is wrong. (bad luck or not- i wouldnt play in a way to jepordise my whole stack on coin flip.

i just think there are different ways to climb, and integrating heads up into this is very important. Its more a jerkey ascent up the mountain followed by a parachute down the other side.
Rather than the mono rail that takes you slowley upwards.

Ultimatley i find the game more interesting this way, if i know im all out after loosing a $5stt then chances are il topp3 it first time. Whereas if i had $50 then i simpley wouldnt. Id make mistakes. If i had the bankrole and i got ak in earley position raised 20% stack size and someone goes all in il call if i have abank role and il fold if i dont. Most of the time im beten by a pp, i wouldnt take the flip if i couldnt afford to miss.

im rambling arnt i. I just thin that 10x rule is a little unimaganative and takes a lot of the fun out of it.

ooops i ramble. sorry.

thanks for your replies. (hopefully il be posting my next post from the heady hights of $1)

 

[topp44]

lol.

i lost da money. ( 6seater 25c)

i played the 1 game for all my money and i lost last night.

I played again today and top 3 all but one time.

Built a little higher to 61c. ( and played only 5 or six games- record low)

going for the 50c double up strategy again.

wish me luck.

 

[topp44]

1minit later...

first hand 10 10 vs aq suited i raise all in he calles aqspades.

now iv got $1 doller. lol. A doller always makes me feel happy.

 

[t1riel]

Good - Just made the money.

Great- Made into the Top 5.

Excellent - Placed 1st.