Slowplay Suicide

KingCurtis

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Should I have bet the turn????? he had 2 4's in the deck and 2 tens to hit to make a full house....i thought that checking and then letting him commit suicide by betting on the river(which is what i thught he was doing) but i ended up commiting suicide by slowplaying...ugh

pokerstars Game #14269543409: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/01/02 - 12:38:41 (ET)
Table 'Erida' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: hockeyshawny ($11.15 in chips)
Seat 2: herzkönigin ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 3: levylegolas ($10.40 in chips)
Seat 4: KingCurtis67 ($3.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Expiate ($9.15 in chips)
Seat 7: FrostyAurora ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 8: Paconito ($6.95 in chips)
Seat 9: sinosono ($3.35 in chips)
FrostyAurora: posts small blind $0.05
Paconito: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KingCurtis67 [Ah Qh]
sinosono: folds
hockeyshawny: raises $0.30 to $0.40
herzkönigin: folds
levylegolas: folds
KingCurtis67: calls $0.40
Expiate: folds
FrostyAurora: folds
Paconito: folds
*** FLOP *** [9h Th Jh]
hockeyshawny: bets $0.60
KingCurtis67: calls $0.60
*** TURN *** [9h Th Jh] [Ts]
hockeyshawny: checks
KingCurtis67: checks
*** RIVER *** [9h Th Jh Ts] [4d]
hockeyshawny: bets $1.50
KingCurtis67: raises $0.65 to $2.15 and is all-in
hockeyshawny: calls $0.65
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KingCurtis67: shows [Ah Qh] (a flush, Ace high)
hockeyshawny: shows [4h 4s] (a full house, Fours full of Tens)
hockeyshawny collected $6.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.45 | Rake $0.30
Board [9h Th Jh Ts 4d]
Seat 1: hockeyshawny showed [4h 4s] and won ($6.15) with a full house, Fours full of Tens
Seat 2: herzkönigin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: levylegolas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: KingCurtis67 showed [Ah Qh] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: Expiate (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FrostyAurora (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Paconito (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: sinosono folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
nevadanick

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Hard to say, IMO. No indication of table image for either of you. Would a turn bet of any size have returned a fold? That's anyone's guess. Opponent was table chip leader (but not by much). I think I would have made at least a .60 bet (same as his flop bet) to keep something going in the pot and to see if he thought his hand was strong enough to call.

Since PS claims their full deck is shuffled, set and locked on each hand, the card delivery would never have changed. You would have lost on the river regardless.

Slowplaying works both ways. You win some, lose some. Yes, you had a royal draw, but he could also have been sitting on a 7 to J straight flush already. Suited connectors were a consideration in this hand and I have been beat in exactly that way a number of times over the years. If he were holding a 7 to J sf, you would have been betting into him with a one outter. HMmmm....

Seems Lady Luck was also in this hand. Losing a flopped nut flush is always a bitter pill.
 
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Min raise the flop, bet turn.

Villain bet on the flop, check on the turn pairing, then big bet on the river reeks of 99 , JJ, or JT. Way ahead or way behind situation = flat call on the river.
 
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Slow play = Suicide ? We all can relate big successes, as well as big losses.

This is one study that deserves to be made. And this is the classic example, the other might be the flopped straight with 2 suited so that the str8 would slow play till he flushed himself down the toilet.

So, I propose that we somehow compile some stats. We would need to include both failures and successes. I don't know if PT can track slow playing or not, besides I don't use any trackers. Probably a slow play sheet sitting close to your screen will be the only way we can compile this.

In this particular case villain turned trips and started slow playing you! Though if villain turns 2 pair the bet might be the same. He has to think u might have a draw, and possibly the made flush, but when you don't fire on the turn, you've done the good job of deception. Unfortunately he hits on the river and you're toast.

Moral of this story is that when the turn paired, your last chance was to seriously raise. It might have slowed him down. Against better players you seldom want to give them any chance to catch on later streets. As it sits, villain starting with T4 doesn't speak well for him, and he might have chased the hand from the git go with his flopped tens.
 
pantin007

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it wasnt really that bad of a play
u just got unlucky with the river
 
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Since PS claims their full deck is shuffled, set and locked on each hand, the card delivery would never have changed. You would have lost on the river regardless.


This of course is irrelevant. When the RNG is run is of no consequence to any real poker player.
 
KingCurtis

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it wasnt really that bad of a play
u just got unlucky with the river

i was hoping to hear this..i do understand that i should have bet when the board paired though...
 
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Flop is fine IMO but I would bet the turn to build a pot.
 
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This of course is irrelevant. When the RNG is run is of no consequence to any real poker player.

Other than the fact that a 10/4 would not have come on the turn/river with a constant shuffle and the OP more than likely would have won. But that is for another thread at another time.
 
nevadanick

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This of course is irrelevant. When the RNG is run is of no consequence to any real poker player.

The RNG sequence actually IS relevant since it is a completed hand and it is this specific hand being discussed. Most have said a turn bet would have been a good move (for various reasons). My comment was based on a bet on the turn and the opponent 'not' folding. KingCurtis would have lost the hand no matter what bets were made or called if the opponent did not fold.

In a different cardroom, the turn and river cards may well have been any other 2 cards, changing the showdown. KingCurtis' nut flush may well have held out.
 
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The way I see it, you shouldn't be "slowplaying" a flush once the board pairs. With T9 and JT real posibilities, you need to start to worry a little. You've got to bet to "find out where you are" as they say. The last thing you want is to check and see a two pair board. You've got to keep the heat on.

goldog

His hand was almost worthless at that point so you may not have gotten a call.
 
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hey i didnt read the whole thread...dont have much time right now...but in general i bet no matter what beause unless you have the nuts it is not worth the risk to slowplay any cards
 
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I am the Villian on this hand. At the time I was 17 tabling .05/.10 so I am 100% sure if you would've bet anything about $.50 I would've been gone. You just got unlucky. You should bet that turn no matter what because most of the time I would give up because of the dangerous board without a strong holding. hope this helps! :)
 
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I am the Villian on this hand. At the time I was 17 tabling .05/.10 so I am 100% sure if you would've bet anything about $.50 I would've been gone. You just got unlucky. You should bet that turn no matter what because most of the time I would give up because of the dangerous board without a strong holding. hope this helps! :)

Welcome to Cardschat Emma, and thanks for chiming in on this thread. It is always good to get both sides of a story.
 
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cash game i slow play online i always lead... tourney i lead
 
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Slow play as always been my most winning move but it's lead to many a bad beats too. Had so many suck outs lately I've changed the way I play 'em now. Minor agression to max agression depending on who I'm against.

That brings me to a hand this weekend, poc A's flopped a third, bet pot and called by 4 people. Nothing in the flop to worry about (A 9 7 rainbow), same with the turn (5), raised pot and all 4 called again. No straight or flush draws on the turn River card dealt paired the turn and gave a guy quad 5's T&R both 5's giving villian quads.

Villian was a hyper agressive player through the game and I still have no idea why he called a pot bet on the flop with nothing but an under pair to the board and no draw. I had been a very tight player through the game. No idea how I could have played it better because I know he would have call an all in bet on the turn and probably would have on the flop too. Arrrgggggg....
 
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