Doubledunk
Visionary
Silver Level
here's some movies you might have missed
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caio cesar
Enthusiast
Silver Level
The whole scenario was unrealistic. He flat calls with aces, why? You usually do that to trap your opponents. why didn't he start a pre flop 5 bet war to build a pot and then fold, why go to the river and muck? And how Robert Duvall's character knows he mucked a winning hand and knows it was aces? Like it happens all the time a AA x KK clash 3-handed.. Ok, let's say he knows his son gave up of the hand. How he knows it was aces? Why not a better hand like a set or two pair?
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
This whole discussion should probably have had a spoiler alert on it BTW, but anywho...
*shrugs*
I think you're missing the point - the way he played the hand was so that it didn't look like he had AA. In fact I suspect getting into a five-bet pot preflop against your Dad and then just folding would be a pretty good way to get yourself caught (or to get your opponent to fold their hand - which is the opposite of what he wants).
It's been ages since I've watched the movie, but IIRC the way he went about it did a pretty good job of making it seem like he had some other legit hand that could still lose (his backer thought he had QQ, right?). Which, one assumes, is what you'd WANT to do when you're breaking the tournament rules to dump chips to your Dad.
As for Duvall "knowing" his son had AA? Call that dramatic license.
*shrugs*
I think you're missing the point - the way he played the hand was so that it didn't look like he had AA. In fact I suspect getting into a five-bet pot preflop against your Dad and then just folding would be a pretty good way to get yourself caught (or to get your opponent to fold their hand - which is the opposite of what he wants).
It's been ages since I've watched the movie, but IIRC the way he went about it did a pretty good job of making it seem like he had some other legit hand that could still lose (his backer thought he had QQ, right?). Which, one assumes, is what you'd WANT to do when you're breaking the tournament rules to dump chips to your Dad.
As for Duvall "knowing" his son had AA? Call that dramatic license.
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caio cesar
Enthusiast
Silver Level
No, I'm not "missing the point".The hand from start to collusion does not make a sense at all.
And you trying to defend it it's borderline ridiculous. You said that his backer thought he had QQ. How on earth do you call pre flop with QQ three handed? To put him on QQ is beyond stupid.
If he knew his son had aces, why did he call his all in?
Or Robert Duvall's character also knew that his son was going to muck his winning hand like a wizard or something?
Ok, I'm gonna call those James Bond's opponents calling an all in with a flush on a paired board a "dramatic license".
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
OK so like I said, it's been a few years since I watched this movie. Just rewatched that hand now and realised I'd forgotten a couple of important points. Will stick this in spoiler tags just in case anyone wants to avoid knowing the details 10 years later
First of all here's the action from the hand:
SB: LC (Robert Duval)
BB: Trucker Hat guy
BTN: Huck (Eric Bana)
Huck raise to 40k, LC raise 100k, Trucker Hat folds, Huck call
F (7h 5d 2c): LC bet 300k, Huck raise to 600k, LC call 300k
T (2s): LC bet 500k, Huck call 500k
R (8h): LC all in (over 650k), Huck call (all in) 650k
So first thing I'd forgotten: I thought Huck had planned to chip dump from the start of the hand. Rewatching it, I don't think he decided to do that until the showdown. So up until that point, assume he was playing the hand to win.
And the second thing I'd forgotten; this hand was all about levelling and misdirection between two players who knew each other very well. The whole "just call" / "what do you mean 'just call'" thing, their history, it's all more important than what two ordinary and unacquainted players may or may not do in this spot.
In fact they play off the idea of what you "should" do with AA in the same spot - he knows his JC thinks that way, so he's trying to misdirect him.
Also, rewatching it I suspect (and mileage may vary here) that when JC pushed, he was almost expecting to be doubling Huck up, and he seemed pretty OK with that - it's possible (and maybe even likely) that he was trying to chip dump to his son here. He certainly seems surprised to have won the pot.
Anywho, mileage obviously varies. You can question whether Huck choosing to dump his chips to his Dad was realistic or not, but I think as far as the way the hand played out goes it's fine.
SB: LC (Robert Duval)
BB: Trucker Hat guy
BTN: Huck (Eric Bana)
Huck raise to 40k, LC raise 100k, Trucker Hat folds, Huck call
F (7h 5d 2c): LC bet 300k, Huck raise to 600k, LC call 300k
T (2s): LC bet 500k, Huck call 500k
R (8h): LC all in (over 650k), Huck call (all in) 650k
So first thing I'd forgotten: I thought Huck had planned to chip dump from the start of the hand. Rewatching it, I don't think he decided to do that until the showdown. So up until that point, assume he was playing the hand to win.
And the second thing I'd forgotten; this hand was all about levelling and misdirection between two players who knew each other very well. The whole "just call" / "what do you mean 'just call'" thing, their history, it's all more important than what two ordinary and unacquainted players may or may not do in this spot.
In fact they play off the idea of what you "should" do with AA in the same spot - he knows his JC thinks that way, so he's trying to misdirect him.
Also, rewatching it I suspect (and mileage may vary here) that when JC pushed, he was almost expecting to be doubling Huck up, and he seemed pretty OK with that - it's possible (and maybe even likely) that he was trying to chip dump to his son here. He certainly seems surprised to have won the pot.
Anywho, mileage obviously varies. You can question whether Huck choosing to dump his chips to his Dad was realistic or not, but I think as far as the way the hand played out goes it's fine.
My problem with the Bond hand wasn't that they all got all in with those hands BTW - it was the utterly ridiculous one in three-hundred-squillion flush-boat-boat-straight flush setup for it.
But like I said, that's not even my least-favourite hand in that movie: that'd be the one where he goes bust the first time to some other improbable hand, then tries to justify rebuying by saying "I got outplayed and I'm sad about it, but now I know his tell". When a real poker player would be saying "that's a standard beat, I played the hand correctly, buy me back in dammit!"
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Jam_V92
Rock Star
Silver Level
why? Many recommend it, likewise I will see it at some point and I will give my opinion
imnoobpoker
Rock Star
Silver Level
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Verfox
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