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Lets Talk About LUCK !!!
In my opinion having Luck is Essential to be a winner, lets talk about experiences, definitions, ways to call it, and ways to deal and manage it..
I think this could be very interesting and we can try others people methods they share..
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Luck is a by-product of hard work. Winning consistently has nothing to do with luck. Might get a hand here or there, everyone does, you wont find success there though.
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For a more personal example, last year I only logged 250 ish hours but my win rate was over 15 BB / hr. This year over 365 hour I'm at like 4.5 BB / hr so far. That's a HUGE difference. Am I really playing well enough to make 15 BB / hr? Probably not. Am I really playing at the level of the average 4.5 BB / hr player or am I running bad? Realistically the answer is usually in the middle somewhere but just the fact that the ranges are so wide proves how huge it is to be lucky or run good in my opinion.
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I agree with you, luck influences the game, I have seen bad players regularly reach final tables, and good players who have not had good results, some people are luckier than
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I still reference in my mind something Chris Ferguson said years ago. Something like, "Luck is a variable but quite often bad players lean on it like a crutch" or something like that. Yes. It is certainly a dynamic in this crazy game of swing but relying on such a thing long term is an inevitable recipe for failure!
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Luck is EXTREMELY important.
It is true that skillful players should be winners in the long run, but when bad luck or good luck strikes will determine how much money is won or lost. A bad beat in a huge pot will a long time to recover.
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Luck cannot be controlled it just happens.
You can be lucky one hand of game and unlucky the next hand a game. Everyone takes beats and everyone gets lucky at some point. What you can control is the effect of it on you. i.e. How you bounce back from taking a beat and how you make the most of the chips that you won from a hand that you normally should loose.
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I agree with your post. First, lets face it, even the very best players bluff far less than people think they do. That said, a bluff by definition is a player taking matters in their own hands and creating their own luck. As for every other hand they (or the regular we) are dealt each starts with the cards you are dealt. If they are poor cards you muck them, if potentially good then you attempt to exploit them. The foundation of making a good play (or playing well period) is capitalizing on the luck of being dealt playable cards in the first place.
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I desagree, I`ve been in tournaments where practicly lose all hands, all of them, I`ve seen ocations where people whom had never play holdem, have won over very experienced players.. Luck exist and it has a pattern ... diferent for each person but it its there..
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i really believe that with time, patience, dicipline, mental enforcement, you can deal with luck, you may no be able to change ir, but for example you could change estrategy few time, o maybe sit out for a while..
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I have lots of luck, problem is it's all bad.
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Gambler depend on luck to win.
Poker player use skill and strategy to cancel the luck on gambler.
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re: Poker & Lets Talk About LUCK !!!
And yet without luck anywhere. Any hand is nothing without luck. Any trash wins. Whatever skills you have. There are days when the game does not add up at all. Straight, flush, four of a kind, sets... It all adds up to the opponents on the Board. And you look and think where you have sinned... Any starting hand is smashed to smithereens. And expects nothing except minus if to the river to hang on
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Luck is essential to win anything. I was hit by a truck so many times that even stop playing for almost an year writing to hosting site support that something is not right with their software. I mean that I was so many times in position where on the flop I have around 85% to 95% chance to win but destiny had different plans.To be honest I had bad beats but not so many as I had fallen. Indeed bankroll management is very important
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I believe luck is for suckers! I know only skill, play Poker and vision of the game. Only skill can win, no luck will help. AND WHAT YOU CALL LUCK, IS CALLED ACCIDENT.
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Im the unluckiest then..LOL or Im just plain bad, or dont use BRM..ect I do get jelly of the all in donks with the bad playing, and the huge stack, and think they the luckiest person alive. But viewing their sharkscope, its the big picture. With proper BRM, you can acct for varience. or Luck which ever we choose to call it..
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Tell that when you lose an AA vs 29 or something similar, it happens a lot of times..
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Luck, regardless of your ability, can make you lose a tournament. But to win it, it is necessary that the two work together.
I have seen many bingo players who, with lucky shots, go far, even to the final table. But to win it takes more than that.
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That means you are a poker player to survive so many times of such brutal result. You keep playing again and again knowing that variance will happen no matter how skillful you are, am i right? As for gambler, when they shove you in with 29, they are very well prepared to lose. Even knowing that their chances are like 15% against your Aces, yet they still do it. They are gambling with luck. I believe you know very well that to go far, you need discipline and healthy bankroll. Never tilt and never go broke.
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I think you can't win anything in poker without luck.
What You can do though is to influence how much of it you need. You can lose with AA vs. 27 off, but your opponent needs a whole lot of luck for that to happen, while you only need very little of it to win. I don't know if it all equals out in "the long run"... Maybe it does. Maybe some people actually are more lucky then others and some will have bad luck... Statistics don't guarantee you an outcome according to them. But playing well guarantees that you receive the best result possible with the amount of luck you have.
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desagree.. not always estrategy works, luck always works--- it change constantly thats the secret..
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Disagree. Gambler blame on luck when they lose. Poker player blame themselves and improve. Nobody can improve on luck but you can improve on skill. You quoted earlier on AA losing to 29. Run the board 1000 times. The 29 gambler won't even make it to the 100th dealing.
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Luck is an undeniably important thing in poker, but not crucial. I think the experience and skills of the player are more important than luck.
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my luck is around the corner, watching and laughing
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when luck is not on my side. I play games of reduced variance which essentially consists of no longer playing flipet to have the goal of going to the showdown. It allows me to survive while waiting to see if luck will turn. but in the opposite case it is the loss to insure because at some moments of the game. You're forced to play flips. Personally this week she did not give me any gifts. I lost with all my AA KK and all the good hands that can go through your mind. but I know that in the long run it's normal. So I'm just trying to play my A game and get ready because I think doyle bronson was right when he said luck is what happens when preparation meets the opportunity.
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Hello,
Luck is such a mystical force that splits, multiples, stretches goes and comes from a poker table. It can work very well or it can make you want to disappear when you fould a hand that hits full house on the river. That's why I think you should pay attention, focuse and play chips smart. You never know when luck desides to blast your hand..
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re: Poker & Lets Talk About LUCK !!!
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You're talking about skill, it has nothing to do with luck. Luck is nothing but art. Some people stare at art objects and see some painting or sculpture and have no special feelings about it, others observe art objects and see a miracle. Everyone is lucky, the fact that we've been born is obvious act of luck. Some people are simply not using their luck to create new opportunities to get even more lucky. Confucius said " the journey of 1000 miles begins with a small step" so sometimes we have "to walk 1000 miles" to meet our luck, but quite often majority of people are too lazy or too scared to make the first step or they even walk in the wrong direction. There are 2 major ways to meet your luck: 1) to clearly see where you're going to 2) to try and walk as many ways as possible.
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Not looking for a single hand or a session to gauge anything. If the less skilled players didn't stack off with the worse hand, they would never deposit again. Being ahead on a hand and losing it for me is odds, not luck. Getting in ahead is the win, regardless of the results.
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ive said it before but i will say it again, and im quoting kevin martin on this, im sure he heard it somewhere. "In the short term poker is all about luck, in the long term it is all about skill." i find this to be so accurate, like to win a tourney or have a winning session you have to have skill to be patient and pick your spots, but i find every session or trourney there is maybe 1 hand where i get lucky and crack aces, or outflop AK.
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Seems like Confucius was a fan of hard work. That or they enjoyed walking.
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Skill and luck are brothers, skill needs hard work, luck needs skill to wait your time.
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If you rely on luck to win, I have to assume your poker skills are not very good. Luck can swing either way, skill is knowing how and when to capitalize on luck and knowing when to walk away if your luck takes a turn. Even knowing how to stay in the game when your luck is bad without going broke.
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Exactly why i mentioned earlier about skill and 'Strategy'. If you aren't good enough to deal with villain cracking your Aces with 29, then you need to improve on your Anti-tilt strategy. What makes the differences between me and Daniel Negreanu is; He is better in skill He is better in strategy He is better to handle bad beat He is better bankrolled He is better in exposure with years of experience Now, when you have the above 5 mentioned, then you talk about LUCK to win a tournament. If you are depending on pure luck to win without any of these 5 elements, you are like dumping your money into the vast sea. In fact, you'll have a better chance of winning with playing slot machine, better payout than poker at least. Edited: Forgot to mention this. If there's a chance for me to play with Daniel Neg, the outcome; If i won = i'm lucky If i lose = he is better
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If you can compare eastern and western culture through most popular art today, which is visual art, you can clearly see the difference. In eastern movies main character was beat by 2 criminals at the street, what he decides to do? he walks to the mountains, spends 5 years practicing martial arts, returns to his town and beats all criminal activity there... What do we see in western movies? Main character meets an alien who gives him super powers, or he's insanely rich and smart since he been born, or radioactive spider bites him, and that's why he becomes a coolest guy in town and beats all criminal activity cause he's a super hero. What is real and what is not? You can spend 5 years practicing martial arts and become a UFC fighter one day, or you can wait until radioactive chicken will bite you one day and you'll become a chickenman superhero and fly high above rooftops.
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If you really think so, then I sincerely sympathize with you. That is all I can say.
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Without having a luck You can't win a tournament. One of component of this game is luck. When you play a tournament always come a moment when luck is needed.
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Stay in the queue. You forgot to mention you still need Luck for that chicken to bite you among so many Superhero-wannabe out in the street
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Exactly! What I was trying to say there in my posts above? Oh yeah I've tried to explain the difference between real luck that we can get by creating new opportunities for ourselves and the luck that lives in some peoples dreams and happens as often as tornado builds a working plane using parts of twisted sea ships. Art creates culture, culture forms behavior, behavior creates lifestyle. From such point of view normal people must ignore majority of media products, cause movies/songs/games are forming virtual stereotypes in heads of the people, and instead of trying their luck in the real world people prefer to be unlucky in the reality but feel happy when they see their favorite actor/artist/game character. 100 year life is just 876K hours, and such things like Avatar movie or Breaking Bad/Game of Thrones are wasting billions of human hours for nothing, giving fake dreams and fake idols and making people too scared to test their luck in something real and useful for the society. Nuclear bomb will instantly erase thousands of human lifes, Game of Throne will do the same but slowly and "with pleasure". Who is more lucky? The one who lives his life or the one who observes how imaginary people are living their story at his screen?
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imagine you are in a final table a have AA and BB is chip leader and goes all in.... and nobody calls, it just you to call... you Fold or Call ?? I´m Going to tell you the rigth answer.... It depends how lucky is threath you at that moment if you had have some bad luck in some hands better fold and wait, if you had have good results at that time better call. Luck is like sub atomic particles, it is all about chance, probability, momentum..
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I do not believe in luck, believe in the mood for one. Depending on how you are in the day is depending on how you see the game !!
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