kenny tran/tom dwan/esfandiari sick collusion

[boomboom]

hey enjoy this cheeky kenny tran?? or cheeky tom dwan/antonio
kenny did fold a nine remember.
watch out for the phil laak bet size and pot size


peace

YouTube - Tom durrrr Dwan helps Antonio Esfandiari amazing poker

 

[Reducto]

I don't get it - you think a random side conversation is them telling Esfandiari it's safe to raise? That's a bit of a stretch.

Looks like pretty standard play for aggressive players who have played many, many hours against each other.

 

[boomboom]

Esfandiari saying 37 is phil laaks bet of 3700.

Tom dwan saying 68 is 100 more than the pot at the time(6700). (raise large than pot... you can tell he is working it out in his head when he says "what did you say?")

So esfandiari raises big thanks to tom dwan.

thats my take.

 

[woody19]

ahh kool least with no sound i can actuly no what there saying now lol

standard fold from hellmuth and est

weird help from dwan lol

 

[Stick66]

Esfandiari saying 37 is phil laaks bet of 3700.

Tom dwan saying 68 is 100 more than the pot at the time(6700). (raise large than pot... you can tell he is working it out in his head when he says "what did you say?")

So esfandiari raises big thanks to tom dwan.

thats my take.

(Nice first 2 posts.) Not only does Kenny Tran have an accent, he fumbled his words a bit. Tom Dwan was just trying to "work out in his head" what Kenny was trying to say.

And Antonio is known to repeat (or inquire about) the bet size to the dealer often when he plays (watch High Stakes Poker, too). No matter who's around. And Dwan is just weird, so who knows about the "68".

You actually think these guys would collude on national TV where it could be played and analyzed over & over and risk their reputations and everything they have? Not even Russ Hamilton is THAT stupid.

 

[Dwilius]

RoFl, nice analysis OP.

...btw, the only friends at the table are the ones involved in the betting [not saying they'd cheat], what motive would Tom Dwan have...and what information would he have to say its safe to raise?

 

[boomboom]

Well they are all friends so it's even more reason they could be messing around with each other as far as colluding. It's very hard to be classified as cheating since their protection can be grounded behind answering a simple question that kenny asked.

Kenny asks how many push ups do you think I can do in the middle of a hand like that when he folded 9-2, with 2 9's on the flop. My take is he was asking a legitimate question and esfandiari said 37 to be cheeky(phil laaks bet), and tom dwan being as sick as he is, worked out how much was in the pot and played the game. Challenging to do when you weren't paying attention before. Hence "What did you say?"(for more time to calculate what is in the pot)

It's also weird how esfandiari decided to show durrrr his cards after the hand, as if to say "thanks for the cheeky help bro, here is what i had".

i like to keep an open mind about it for fun

 

[boomboom]

"I've been up for 2 and a half days, how many pushups blah blah"
Well the flop is 9 - 5 - 9: Most people call a day 9 to 5, right?
Kenny is definitely in on it, thanks to to his hand pre flop.

It's just friends colluding each other. Abit of fun.

 

[Munchrs]

over analysis. video=waste of my time.

 

[ph_il]

Stupid thread. Srsly.

The convo has nothing to do with the hand. Tran is asking Dwan 'Durrr, I'll do 15 pushups for $500, how many do you think I can do?' He is issuing a side-bet challenge here for Dwan.

Antonio, who is in the middle of this convo (literally), most likely overhears Tran and blurts out '37' Why? Who knows. Maybe its because its the size of the bet by Laak, maybe it's just the first number that popped up. Reguardless...Antonio isn't in the convo. Tran is talking with Dwan.

Now Dwan, who is a bit confused by Tran's engrish ask 'What did you say?' To which Tran replies 'I've been up 2 and half days, how many push-ups do you think I can do?' Dwan just gives of a random number of '68'. If you listen closely, Tran says 'I can't even do 30 right now.' Why? Because he has been up for 2 days and he is probably very fatigued. If Tran is side-betting Dwan on how many push-ups he can do for $500 and 2 days of no rest, Dwan is gonna say some unlikely number Tran mostly can't do.

There is no coded, secret collusion dialog going. It's typical HSP side chat while a hand is going on. To think otherwise is just simply retarded. What are going to do when Tran folds K2 and the flop is K 2 K while Atonio is still in a hand? Tell Dwan if he joins the KKK he'll get a free boat? It doesn't make sense, just like your over-analysis of this video.

...Crap. Now i just over-analyized OP's post.

 

[boomboom]

Well I find it very hard to dismiss it so easily like the rest of you. I mean a lot of great poker players use the numbers in front of them for psychological fun and game play. In this case, you can't even imagine a slight possibility that it is "friendship collusion"? I can't be so sure like you guys. the 37(3700) and 68(6700)(raise larger than pot) is too great a coincidence.

Start with the basics, like David Peat on High Stakes Poker saying "Quack Quack" for a $2,200 bet.

The 2's look like a duck.
They do play at that level.

 

[ph_il]

Why are you still over-analyzing this video?

In this case, you can't even imagine a slight possibility that it is "friendship collusion"? I can't be so sure like you guys. the 37(3700) and 68(6700)(raise larger than pot) is too great a coincidence.
...There is no collusion going on here. This is just a conversation going on in the middle of the hand. Antonio piped up in the middle of it and said '37' maybe for a number of reasons. Most likely because that's the number Laak bet and it's the current number in his head. Do you honestly link think he is giving Dwan/Tran some information by telling them how much Laak bet? They're pro-players. They've seen and calculated bets before, way bigger than 3,700 and by more than one opponent, so this is nothing different.

And I guess you're telling me Dwan is 'colluding' with Esfandiari by telling him to raise 6,800 or 'larger than the pot.' Yeah, that's really aggressive there. 2 aggressive NLHE players are colluding to raise 3,100 than the initial raise. ...smart.

Start with the basics, like David Peat on High Stakes Poker saying "Quack Quack" for a $2,200 bet.

The 2's look like a duck.
They do play at that level.
...Uh, Paul Magriel (I believe) started this 'quack, quack' thing since most, if not all, of his bets start with the numerical value of 22. Known as 'double ducks' in backgammon or ducks in poker.

So, again. Stop over-analyzing this video.

 

[boomboom]

Yeah man, do you play much poker? How is it even possible to raise to 6800 on a 3700 bet. LOL you said raise (3100)

Look man, the number 68 basically means raise big. And he did, to 13,900.

It's not just a bloody random number! tom dwan is intuitive to the point where it is almost certain that number relates to the pot, because of antonios answer of 37 when he wasnt even asked the question.

The raise was also to 13,900. Which is a poke at 3 9's. (3,9)

They are friends man, it's not about the high stakes this hand. It's about the game.
Over analyzing this hand means trying to work out if kenny tran is apart of it or not.

 

[ph_il]

Again, there is no colluding going on in the video.

Give it up.

 

[Deco]

I never thought a video as simple as this could start a conspiracy theory.

 

[jdeliverer]

Just another few sites many of you may find interesting.

http://911truth.org/

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/

 

[Implied Odds3]

um.... sorry, but i don't see how this is collusion.

 

[NFLD_REBEL]

No collusion here but I do believe there is collusion with the high stakes regulars at Bobby's room and at other casino's. It happens online all the time also, that's why you should report it if you think your being cheated.

 

[valientone]

i think that antonio was trying to make a reverse play, and catch the flush then slow down to induce a bet... and laak was just plain silly lol