HR 1174 - The Bill the PPA Wants Us to Support

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You guys have to remember that UIGEA wasn't implemented until June of 2010. Cases this large take months if not years to build.

It was implemented in 2006, just not fully implemented until June 2010. Lots of us had money tied up in neteller for a while before we finally got it.

Neteller Funds Seized-WireInfo - Thu Feb 08, 2007, 10:51 PM

Neteller lost upwards of 65% of its business due to New Anti Gambling Legislation which was "porked" into law in October on the coattails of the port security bill. George W. Bush signed the bill on October 14th making it US law. Neteller is based in the Isle of Man, traded on the Britain Exchange, and was the favorite payment processor for Internet Poker.
 
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It was implemented in 2006, just not fully implemented until June 2010. Lots of us had money tied up in Neteller for a while before we finally got it.

Ahhh. Can't say I was around to see that.
 
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I aggree with Coolnout. The Gov could have likely stormed in at anytime and shut down FT, PS, and Absolute Poker but they didnt. Instead they chose a few months to a year before legislation has a legitimate chance of passing and making it leagle. I think for 2 reasons:

1) piss people off so that it forces congress to pass this poor piece of legislation (cause most people were ok with it in the grey area and would not support forced taxation)
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2) Allow adequate time for things to die down, so that when a new site comes on after leagle people will be happy and will forget or not care about taxes!

The only thing that may happen is some people will become frustrated and no longer play online but will just play in person (which works out better for casinos anyway).

Either way if you play poker online you are getting screwed. I think they should leagalize it, establish licenses, and then leave it on the individual to pay thier taxes (and if they dont, fine them or go to jail with Westly Snipes!).

I think the word you are looking for is legal.



Man, I've become such a troll..... :eek:
 
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Australians are struggling with inept government regulations as well, specifically the IGA (Interactive gambling Act) which prohibits Aussie players from playing on Australian based poker sites but NOT from playing on International poker sites. Yeah crazy I know - go figure

Surprisingly though some parts of our public service seem to show a semblence of intelligence.

Players from the USA may wish to quote from this report regarding all forms of gambling from the Australian Productivity Commission if and when they contact an elected representative.

http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/95682/gambling-report-volume2.pdf


Chapter 15 lists the pro's and con's of online gambling from an Australian and International perspective and in some places mentions the United States experience.


The whole chapter on internet gambling is 35 pages but mentions (among other things):


"Poker players perceive poker as a game of skill, rather than chance, and this has been

upheld by courts overseas... poker can be seen to be a much more pleasant, socially

interacting and entertaining pursuit… these attributes occur only in one other casino game,

blackjack, and then only as possibility, not as an essential component. (John Beagle,

sub. 249, pp.1-2)

It is our view that online poker requires greater levels of skill than betting on a random

outcome of a sporting event or other contingency. As such the IGA imposes an unfair and

unexplainable distinction between the two forms online gambling (wagering and poker) and

as a consequence, provides markedly different legislative rules … In some jurisdictions in

the US a ‘pre-dominance’ test is applied that rules a game to be a game of skill, if skills

predominate over chance. In some jurisdictions such as Colorado and Pennsylvania, courts

have ruled that poker is predominately a game of skill. Poker is also differentiated from other

forms of gambling in that it is played peer-to-peer with the dealer taking a cut, as opposed to

playing against the house. (Interactive Gaming Council, sub. 255, pp.21-22)

…the poker operator (whether terrestrial or online) has no stake in the final outcome. As

such, poker truly constitutes an activity wherein the individual participants match wits and

their skills against one another. This is part of the reason for the significant growth of poker

as an entertainment activity. It allows an environment to be created where players can meet

and participate in a game whose outcome is dependent on their skill. In this respect, it is no

different from other skilful games like bridge and chess… In addition to being a recreational

activity, the player to player format of online poker means there a social aspect to the game.

The game of poker is a special case and should be regulated as such, irrespective of how

other online casino games are treated. It is submitted that, at the very least the IG Act

should provide for an exemption to permit online poker games in a player to player format."






I hope this helps in some way.
 
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I agree with all of that. IMO poker is substantially different from the casino games.
 
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I think the word you are looking for is legal.



Man, I've become such a troll..... :eek:

I have never been a good speller and I am too lazy to do spell check on a blog.

Becoming a Troll is to be expected :(
 
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I think it's a shame that the PPA is trying to support a bill that still lumps online poker into the same category as horse betting...
 
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