How Come Online Heroes Are Live Zeroes?

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And that's why he's over in China right now, playing the biggest cash game of all time?!?!? (and being backed by Howard Lederer).
aka.. Tom.. you don't know what you're talking about.

Actually, you're exactly right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm only going on what little knowledge I do have. I don't know if I imagined it, but you can watch for yourself. In that High Stakes Poker (I got the show wrong) clip, it seems very much as though he has no poker face whatsoever. Maybe he's allowing it to show for the sake of reverse psychology. My take was that he hasn't got a poker face. Maybe he's just thinking on a higher level, and that's why I thought I could read him. You watch the clip yourself, make your own judgement.
 
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Actually, you're exactly right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm only going on what little knowledge I do have. I don't know if I imagined it, but you can watch for yourself. In that High Stakes Poker (I got the show wrong) clip, it seems very much as though he has no poker face whatsoever. Maybe he's allowing it to show for the sake of reverse psychology. My take was that he hasn't got a poker face. Maybe he's just thinking on a higher level, and that's why I thought I could read him. You watch the clip yourself, make your own judgement.
Who cares if you do or don't have a poker face? Poker faces are the lamest things in the world.
 
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watch durr bluff ivey out of a 640k pot on high stakes poker...then talk about durr's poker face
 
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Actually, you're exactly right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm only going on what little knowledge I do have. I don't know if I imagined it, but you can watch for yourself. In that High Stakes Poker (I got the show wrong) clip, it seems very much as though he has no poker face whatsoever. Maybe he's allowing it to show for the sake of reverse psychology. My take was that he hasn't got a poker face. Maybe he's just thinking on a higher level, and that's why I thought I could read him. You watch the clip yourself, make your own judgement.

...yeah, I think you're imagining or projecting things here. I've watched loads of footage of Dwan over the past few years and there isn't anything much wrong with his "poker face" - he's one of the online pros that's adapted to live poker really well.

tells, reading tells and tell concealment are important things when you're playing against tables full of professionals that are good at picking up on them. When you're playing donkaments though (even the large buy in ones) the majority of people at your table won't be that good. Tells are an issue but they're nowhere near as big a deal as you're making them out to be. And I'm saying this as someone who learned to play live, still plays live regularly and deals live games.
 
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personally, i think dwan has one of the best poker faces out of all the internet phenoms. and honestly, if u can bluff ivey out of a monster pot with no shades, no hoody... that pretty much sums up the strength of your poker face.
 
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Uh oh, how did I get dragged into a durrr thread?

well, long as I'm here I have to say I'm very impressed with dwans play. not that I'm an expert but I first mistook him as a live fish with that scared expression of his. He is sure proving me wrong.

I won't comment on OP as the best responses are already writ.
 
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I agree with the fact there is a big difference in playing live and online games. But its just about each one's expert one. I don't know much about the facts you have stated but yes it is valid everywhere.
 
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Excuse me but winning big in online and not winning anything in live doesnt make you a zero....LOL WTF is wrong with you.
If i am ever going to start winning big in online i will never play live. Casino's in my country are a pretty dangerous place to go to so....no reason to go there.
 
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Shoot I'd take millions online to not win jack at live poker!
 
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As someone ho fits this description, I think I can offer some insight on this. The reason it looks like online heroes are live zeroes is that the information regarding live players is young and incomplete.

Online players are called online players for a reason. They play mostly online. Take me for example. I played like 10 huge field tournaments this year at the wsop and that was the extent of my live results for the year that were published. They don't publish how I did in cash games, which I happened to destroy while I was there.

So if I play 10 large field events a year, even a great tourney player only expects to cash around 16% of the time. A great tourney player makes a final table in about 4% of the events he enters when field sizes are about 1,000. The ones I played were 2,000 on average, so a great player makes the final table about 2% of the time with 2,000 people. So the fact that some online guys haven't seen a final table when most have played under 25 tourneys lifetime, doesn't mean much.

Another thing to think about is that live players don't usually have much success online either. And usually the same argument holds true. Live players may play 100 tourneys in a year online, and it is not uncommon at all that they don't see final tables very often or because online is harder, their cash game play usually doesn't work well for online games and by the time they might try to work hard to adjust, they move on to their real game which is live poker.

I think the main thing to realize is that cash game results played in a casino are almost never reported. And that is where most online players do so well anyway. I have had great success in live games over the years, but with limited tourney experience live, I just don't have the volume to really have a sample size worth discussing. If I play 1,000 tourneys in my lifetime and have few cashes and no final tables, then I think it will be safe to say I am a live "zero" but until then, I don't think there is much to discuss.
 
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I dont know why. Probably the same reason why I am a lot better live than online. I dont know what it is, its just a different sort of game.
 
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I dont know why. Probably the same reason why I am a lot better live than online.

no, the reason for that is that you're a fish. while the reason for OP's theory is that he's ill informed. Two entirely different things, really
 
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This simply is not true.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned ElkY yet. $6M+ live tournament winnings, and easily $2M+ online.

Nuff said.
 
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Everybody knows online poker is not real poker. People shove with AK online and you cant look at faces to get reads.
 
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also river card comes the A 80% of the time
 
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