fixing live play $$ mess ups...

[Leo 50]

I have to agree with Furries here, don't buy-in for more than you can afford
and study BR management. If you can't afford a decent buy-in maybe you shouldn't be playing.
If you can only play that much, then take that 60 and play till you have made a profit, get tired or lose it.
If you are doubling up and making a profit it won't be long till you can afford a bigger, stronger buy-in.

Getting up and moving around is very annoying and considered VERY disrespectful to the other players in the card room.

You have been warned once by your card room and I can guarantee you they will be watching you the next time you come to play

GL out there

 

[Bryan436]

Yea I'm trying to not move around as much.

I've read a tonnn of bankroll management and understand it, but I've also realized that to start applying it you really need quite the sized bankroll (saying its quite sized is relative i spose, for me thats quite a large amount of money), and for now I'm below the amount I need to fully follow any bankroll management. Playing short stacked, or atleast a bit under the max, is my only BRM I can use right now until I am rolled to buy in 100%.

And I'm trying hard to learn deep stack play, it seems to be much mroe complicated. I think I'm really starting to get it but I do realize I could use some work.. every time I DO manage to turn my short stack into a full buy in or more I find it becoming hard to really take down pots sometimes.

 

[WillySmackYoAss]

I think WVH should be the one to listen to, I share his opinion. Unless it's time for you to get up and go home, don't get up, don't take chips off the table.

And from what I am getting from you is that your a very tight, possibly passive player, so people are probably floating your bets and taking pots away from you, which is probably why you find it difficult to play with a respectable stack, as opposed to having $60 on the table, and that's all you have to play for.

 

[The Highflyer]

I would say that if you a running well and have recently have doubled up or more there is no need to walk away right away. Card rooms do not like for you to move tables an re-buy as would the players, it is common courtesy to your fellow player. That being said once you have gotten that big stack, don't change your game because of it and you should continue to do well, a bad beat is a poker but if you continue to play as you do then there is no real reason to leave. A better option is to stay for an hour or so then go get dinner or something and sit back down at a new table after that, banking your winnings.

 

[LarkMarlow]

Getting up and moving around is very annoying and considered VERY disrespectful to the other players in the card room.

I agree. If you want to do this sort of thing, play online--there are so many tables and so many players that people will hardly notice and rarely care.

If you're going to play live again, please read this thread a few times over before you leave the house. Pay attention...the people responding here know what they're talking about.

 

[Bryan436]

played again last night. took a pretty decent hit to my roll. I think I'm going to play more online than live (kinda got hooked to live too early, not enough $$ to play it now being honest with myself)

Get more experience online, play lower limits, and hopefully build a roll correctly and in limits i can afford with BRM.

 

[bigjoker66]

Short stacking will win you no friends. You may find the regs teaming up on you when you sit down at a table. They will also start reporting you to the floor when you rat hole making it harder for you to do.

Online and live are way different. Just remember $1/$2 NL live is about the same level as $0.10/$0.25 NL or lower online.

 

[Bryan436]

yea, i'm not going to be short stacking anymore live.. if i buy in its going to be for the full buy in, or a little below if i need to. and i wont be leaving tables anymore more just to secure profits, but if i do leave its because of the players or gameplay.. but for now im concentrating on online play some more, where i can use some propper BRM =]

 

[clover]

The more I play in cash games, the higher I set my goals! Personally, I'm happy with doubling my money, but I'm even more happy when I've tripled it or greater. At the casino I play at, there are a lot of older cowboy types that have no problem shelling out $100 bills to re-buy into the game. And because of this, there are many people that walk away with a lot of cash. The most I've seen someone walk away with at $1/2 was $1,000.

What I try to do when I've doubled my money, is to keep playing consistent poker. It's very easy to want to start to gamble and take more risks when I've acquired more chips, but it has such a negative impact on my game that I don't allow myself to do this. A lot of times, once I'm up and I've been playing for awhile, I will organize my chips into two sections. Playing chips and non-playing chips. Of course, if the situation calls for it, I will have no problem delving into my non-playing chips, but if I've gone card dead or I've lost too many small to medium sized pots, I will walk away with the rest of my chips.

 

[WVHillbilly]

The more I play in cash games, the higher I set my goals! Personally, I'm happy with doubling my money, but I'm even more happy when I've tripled it or greater. At the casino I play at, there are a lot of older cowboy types that have no problem shelling out $100 bills to re-buy into the game. And because of this, there are many people that walk away with a lot of cash. The most I've seen someone walk away with at $1/2 was $1,000.

What I try to do when I've doubled my money, is to keep playing consistent poker. It's very easy to want to start to gamble and take more risks when I've acquired more chips, but it has such a negative impact on my game that I don't allow myself to do this. A lot of times, once I'm up and I've been playing for awhile, I will organize my chips into two sections. Playing chips and non-playing chips. Of course, if the situation calls for it, I will have no problem delving into my non-playing chips, but if I've gone card dead or I've lost too many small to medium sized pots, I will walk away with the rest of my chips.

I hope you're doing this division of chips in your head only. We have a guy who literally makes 2 stacks that occasionally plays our home 200nl game. He's the easiest person to push out of a pot once he get to the point you're referring to. He'll just fold everything but the immortal nuts to any bet that might bite into the $$'s he's already set aside as going home money.

 

[Bryan436]

i do my chip stacking by $, like $50 in $5chips, $10 1$ chips, etc. and organize them in groups of say $100, or $150

 

[white_lytning]

I hope you're doing this division of chips in your head only. We have a guy who literally makes 2 stacks that occasionally plays our home 200nl game. He's the easiest person to push out of a pot once he get to the point you're referring to. He'll just fold everything but the immortal nuts to any bet that might bite into the $$'s he's already set aside as going home money.

Second this.

In a live game you see people doing this alot. Its a very reliable tell and one that I like to attack. As soon as someone splits their original buy in from their profits you know exactly how much to bet to get them to fold.

IMO one of the things that good players do is separate the concept of monetary value from chips. When you buy your chips you need to accept that they are only chips and not money. If you are scared to lose money, your game will be weak. People will be able to push you off your good hands, and you won't be able to make bets that you would theoretically want to make.

Like the other guys are saying, if your playing and hoping to never get below your original buy in and leave when are up over 30bb you are not playing good confident poker. Take a step back. Wait until you can afford to play a better, more confident game.

 

[clover]

Since I play 1/2, the majority of people keep $100 stacks although I have seen a few players keep $50 and $25 stacks. I'm the type of player that keeps a $100 stack, and whatever I've profited regardless of if I'm leaving or not and I always know exactly how much money I'm playing with.

If I've been playing all day, and I decide to leave in the not too distant future, I will typically just leave with an even stack or around there. So if I have $235 for example, I might see what I can do with $35 dollars and walk away when it's gone. Although, I have no problem with delving into a $100 stack or more if the situation calls for it and if I win the pot, that's the perfect time to leave.

I agree that your play can become weak if you have anxiety on losing money, but I don't see this as requiring such an emotion. Organizing one's own chip stack, can also make them more conscientious about their game. A player can only call so many raises before they've run out of chips and I prefer playing smart poker as opposed to taking one too many risks and gambling my chip stack away. I guess it all comes down to what style of poker you prefer to play.