smd173
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Sometimes I'll tip a buck after I win a hand, other times I'll wait until they are about the leave the table and tip them (based on how I felt they dealt). If they had some misdeals, I'll tip less. Kinda like a waitress that doesn't get your order quite right.
But since I play mainly limit in the casinos it's not that bad. If I played NL, I'd probably tip less, cause you never know when you might need those extra chips.
But since I play mainly limit in the casinos it's not that bad. If I played NL, I'd probably tip less, cause you never know when you might need those extra chips.
ChuckTs
Legend
Silver Level
juiceeQ said:You really are rotten, aren't you Robbie?
LOL seriously....
Yes, of course I tip the dealer. Thought the only time I've been to a live game with a paid dealer was at my buddy's poker place where they rake %10 (!!!), I still tipped the fooker
nateofdeath
Legend
Silver Level
robwhufc said:
the thing of it is Rob, you're right. there really is no reason to do it. they get paid well enough as it is only to get another dollar per hand. Having said that, every time i've played live, i do it, mainly because everone else does, and it seemed like when i wouldn't, i wouldn't win another hand for hours. It really is rediculious. I would reccomend bringing along a roll of fifty cent piecies, half a dollar. i've seen pleanty of people do that and tip $.50 a hand, which is better then a dollar. IMO it really is rediculious, and it's mainly only done becuase of superstition.
-n
Sammyv1
Legend
Silver Level
I tried dragging my chips over to the dealer with my cursor, and it doesn't work! I guess Jess (dealer) just doesn't want a tip!
Seriously though, yes I did, the 2 times I've played I won big, so I had a good chip count when I left the table!
Seriously though, yes I did, the 2 times I've played I won big, so I had a good chip count when I left the table!
Beriac
Visionary
Silver Level
NEVER
Of course I only play online or with friends, and neither poker stars nor my friends are worthy of a tip in my opinion.
Prolly would at a casino, if for no other reason than that it's standard practice.
I do agree that tipping in our society is strangely skewed toward certain professions and away from others, and can understand how certain people disagree with it as a result.
Of course I only play online or with friends, and neither poker stars nor my friends are worthy of a tip in my opinion.
Prolly would at a casino, if for no other reason than that it's standard practice.
I do agree that tipping in our society is strangely skewed toward certain professions and away from others, and can understand how certain people disagree with it as a result.
JeeDub84
Visionary
Silver Level
I usually tip the dealer when I win a decent pot or if he/she has dealt for awhile. If I see them again dealing at my table then I am less inclined at that point. One thing you must all think of is that casino dealers are like waitresses in a fraction of the sense. The dealers or some really rely on the tips that they get. Some dealers make a large percentage of thier wages from those tips alone. Another thing is that the rake doesnt go to the dealers at all and the casino is the ones that take that as thier profit for hosting the game(just like any online site). I am not trying to convice you to give your money away to these people, but maybe consider it before you discard the notion of tipping.
rotty
I triple dog dare ya
Loyaler
Well for me to tip a dealer a couple things have got to be in place.
First, i have to be playing good and the dealer is friendly.
Second, i have to be tired and ready to leave the table.
Third, the dealer must be female and single to receive my tip and if everything goes as planned she can have the whole thing.
First, i have to be playing good and the dealer is friendly.
Second, i have to be tired and ready to leave the table.
Third, the dealer must be female and single to receive my tip and if everything goes as planned she can have the whole thing.
Tammy
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nateofdeath said:
You're absolutely right, Nate. That is ridiculous. I only tip if I've won a big pot. If I'm not winning, I'm not tipping. Even though I do think it's courteous to tip, I do find myself wondering why I'm tipping the dealer...are they stacking the deck in my favor? So I can definitely see others' points why they don't.
DESSERTLADY
Legend
Silver Level
I usually tip on a decent pot $1.00 If it is a large pot I will tip more.
Only if the dealer is helpful to the table, friendly and knowledgeable. If someone has to help him/her to figure out a split pot or who won the hand Need more training there Bud.
Only if the dealer is helpful to the table, friendly and knowledgeable. If someone has to help him/her to figure out a split pot or who won the hand
Need more training there Bud.
wsorbust
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I've never played a live tournament...but I'm reading people tip after a large pot and it seems very illogical to me. Wouldn't you tip at the end of the tournament or before you leave the table? It would seem a lot more logical and cheaper. They get paid well to begin with...If you tip them every time someone wins a big hand, then I'd think they're getting overpaid.
DESSERTLADY
Legend
Silver Level
wsorbust said:
wsorbust,
Unless I read the thread incorrectly I think we're talking cash games. Tournaments is a different story. At my local casino they usually put in a dealer appreciation fee along with the casino fee. ie: $65. + $15. $8. of that $15. is casino fee and $7. is dealer appreciation fee. You tip again (only if you want) if you cash.
I have heard that Dealers here in Tulsa don't make much more than tips if not all in tips. It isn't a split situation at the tables here. They keep their own tips. So what kind of money they make depends truely on the shifts that they get and how good of a dealer they are.
Tammy
Can I help you?
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I know a couple of dealers from our local casino. Let me tell ya, they aren't exactly rolling in the dough. Sure, I imagine they make an OK wage, but it's not as if they're making money hand over fist. So a little tip here and there is nice.wsorbust said:
Plus, at my casino, all the dealers in the entire casino split the tips. They go into a little lock box next to the dealer and it's divided up at the end of the shift. How much does that suck? The awesome dealer who rakes in the tips gets the same amount as the no-personality jerk a few tables over...:/
wsorbust
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
ok. . . but I would still do it right before I left a table.
I know after the Main Event Hachem or Danneman talked of tipping the dealer...at least that's what happened last year...whether it was set by the casino....by individual or a pooling of $, I'm not sure....though I can't say if people tipped after they got knocked out early on ITM...
Of course... I realize this. But, it's like any other job without a college education...such as a waiter/ess. . . Both pay well....considering. . .whether you consider it well or not is another story. I do.
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Stick66
Legend
Silver Level
Most of the tournament entry info I read about for the ones around here and in Reno give a breakdown of the entry fee disbursement and nearly all take care of the dealer from it. Sometimes, even the waitresses get a cut. I guess it speeds up the game, etc.
In cash games, I guess I'd give according to how the rest of the table gives.
In cash games, I guess I'd give according to how the rest of the table gives.
DESSERTLADY
Legend
Silver Level
wsorbust said:
wsorbust,
This retrieved off the US Department of Labor site:
"If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage -- $5.15 an hour effective 9/1/97 -- the employer must make up the difference."
I think your first line is a little stereotypical. Not all service people lack education. Some even have some college if not complete college degrees. But, there are a few that can make more in the service industry than they can in their major.
This I know first hand have being a restaurant owner and a long time waitress.
Most places DON'T pay squat. Some do pay well. The last job I left, I made $2.60 an hour plus tips, this was my leaving pay. Grant it I did make a decent wage. I had the best shift, I had senority and I had a long term customer base. I gave good service and people remember that.
Now my prior job before that job above. I got paid 2.50 an hour and made squat. Decisions made by owners and just all around stupidity from the owners affected my wages. I couldn't have lived on what I made there if my husband wasn't working. I left after trying to stick it out for 6 months for the other job. I made more the first day working for the above place in one day than I did for 4 days at the other place. Infact, I took an hourly paycut by 40 cents originally for the new job. But it paid off in the long run by changing.
Wsorbust,
It's just like any other job in this world, is it worth it? and it is how you make it.
I'll get off my soapbox on this. I don't think shortstacked intended this thread to be a debate about how much service workers make.
Mike Caro wrote about tipping in a past Poker Player magazine in March 6 2006. Here is a link:
http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/back-issues/pp060306S.pdf
It is archived in acrobat reader.
wsorbust
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I never said people with these jobs lack education. You don't need an education to work these jobs, therefore they pay less. Maybe too little in your opinion. . .But I obviously think otherwise. A tip is a tip...unless it's built into the bill. It's not mandatory. I don't feel I or anyone should have to carry the min. wage american on my back because of pitty and the fact that the state and fed. governments won't increase the wages or kick out the illegals taking the jobs...not to mention the deficit, or gas prices, or the fact that this country is going to shambles....I think people will be lucky if they don't get less tips than in years prior.
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robwhufc
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Nah, I disagree with Mr Caro. I think tipping dealers in effect is subsidising the Multi Millionaire Casino owners - they pay the dealers less, meaning more profit for them, with the shortfall being made up by the players (who are already paying rake). I don't see that paying a dealer a fair wage logically should lead to higher Casino charges.
If a dealer does well, then I would consider tipping, but not as an every-pot additional rake.
If a dealer does well, then I would consider tipping, but not as an every-pot additional rake.
ChuckTs
Legend
Silver Level
Fish said:
Thing was..it's just 2 of my highschool buddies who rented out a shithole apartment, and bought 2 sets of chips and 2 poker tables. They had to make up for it somehow - and I guess a ridiculous rake was the way to go - and yes they had a decent cap at least.
K
krgoks
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Over the past few years, several of the winners of the main event at the wsop have neglected to tip. In the WSOP cash games, most pros tip $1 a hand - even if they just won over $100,000 (Often by sending the dealer a $5 chip and asking for it to be broken down).
The WSOP hired 750 dealers to deal last year. During play, several of these dealers were struggling - I even tried to help one that seemingly never dealt Texas Hold'Em, but she didn't speak English. Matter of fact, many of the dealers hired had major problems with their game and English, but if the WSOP didn't hire them, they would have been short staffed.
There's a corelation between these two points: The good dealers aren't coming back and are getting replaced by those who are fresh out of incompetant schools.
Here's my point: If you want better dealers, the casinos have left it up to the players to imburse them enough to come back. Yeah that sucks, but the alternative means that the house rakes more. If your table is lucky enough to get a good dealer, tell him that you like him to come back by tipping him even if you didn't win a single hand. If you want hold out on the bad dealers so that you can tip him even more.
The WSOP hired 750 dealers to deal last year. During play, several of these dealers were struggling - I even tried to help one that seemingly never dealt Texas Hold'Em, but she didn't speak English. Matter of fact, many of the dealers hired had major problems with their game and English, but if the WSOP didn't hire them, they would have been short staffed.
There's a corelation between these two points: The good dealers aren't coming back and are getting replaced by those who are fresh out of incompetant schools.
Here's my point: If you want better dealers, the casinos have left it up to the players to imburse them enough to come back. Yeah that sucks, but the alternative means that the house rakes more. If your table is lucky enough to get a good dealer, tell him that you like him to come back by tipping him even if you didn't win a single hand. If you want hold out on the bad dealers so that you can tip him even more.