Is this a penalty in live poker room?

[blakewyte]

Misdeals and card flips happen pretty often.

I used to deal part-time at home games and private events. I'm not a professional dealer and the guys at the table all know that. So occasionally a card might flip over but I've been fortunate for having players who are pretty cool about it an understand. There may be one or two times (in separate games) where they'd make a comment, mostly teasing. But it's understood that even dealers are human and accidents and mistakes like this are bound to happen. Sometimes the mistakes aren't really the dealers fault, for example if a player shifts his hand or something when the dealer is dealing and the card's balance is offset because of that movement and thus flips over.

In a casino though I'm not too sure about the ruling. I can understand about your friend's reaction but he too has too understand that it's human error and needs to be mindful of basic poker table etiquette because his actions affected the whole table's play.

I guess the dealer would need to inform the floor manager about the issue because it affected the whole table and would need help if it escalates into a bigger problem.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

according to the OP, his friend didn't even get a penalty, he got a warning. big deal.

Holy shoot. You get a penalty even if it was an accident? Oh crap. I've mucked my cards the wrong way few times and cards got flipped over few times in the past. I've just apologized to the dealer and the table every time that happened and people didn't make a big deal out of it. But of course, this was just a cash game, not a tournament. I better pay more attention to this when playing tournaments.

yes, in wsop tourneys it's a big deal. I was playing in a $1,000 WSOP event and as I was about to fold my JJ on a terrible flop, I intentionally flashed them to 1 player next to me who had folded preflop (I know I shouldn't do that....my bad!). The dealer was pretty cool and gave me a warning.

A couple hours later, a player open folded her terrible BB hand to a raise without realizing that an early position limper was still in the hand....it was clearly an accident and the player apologized but the dealer called the floor and the floor came and gave her a 1 round penalty. Floor apologized that he had to do it, but that they were being very consistent with this ruling throughout the series. The player was cool about it and didn't throw a hissy fit....went and got a cup of coffee and came back 10 mins later...

Flipping up a card while dealing is a very minor dealer mistake...probably the most common one...and I've never played for any length of time when it didn't happen. and as another poster suggested it sometimes isn't even the dealer's fault....sometimes they're trying to pitch around moving obstacles like hands, drink holders, a player stacking their chips etc.

 

[Vfranks]

Yeah your friend was in the wrong. Dealers are human and humans make mistakes. This has happened to me many times, and I just fold when it is my time and move on, and then if I feel so compelled to tell everyone...I do it once the hand is over.
You aren't supposed to let anyone see your cards, and there was a post on here a while ago where a guy was in a game and had the winning hand, but when he looked at his cards the guy next to him saw them. The guy next to him called the floor person over, told the floorperson he saw the cards, and the floor person had him whisper the cards to him after looking at the other guys cards. The floor person ruled the guy's hand dead since his neighbor saw his cards, and the neighbor won the hand.

 

[IntenseHeat]

Yeah your friend was in the wrong. Dealers are human and humans make mistakes. This has happened to me many times, and I just fold when it is my time and move on, and then if I feel so compelled to tell everyone...I do it once the hand is over.
You aren't supposed to let anyone see your cards, and there was a post on here a while ago where a guy was in a game and had the winning hand, but when he looked at his cards the guy next to him saw them. The guy next to him called the floor person over, told the floorperson he saw the cards, and the floor person had him whisper the cards to him after looking at the other guys cards. The floor person ruled the guy's hand dead since his neighbor saw his cards, and the neighbor won the hand.

WTF?

 

[Vfranks]

WTF?

Yeah it was a thread on here... does anyone else recall it and can provide the link? I remember it was somewhere in the mid west I believe. I did a search for the thread, with no luck, but it was so long ago I barely remember.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Would your friend have been mad if the 7 was exposed and he ended up getting 2 aces instead?

If the answer is no, then he had no right to get angry at the dealer. Plain and simple.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Would your friend have been mad if the 7 was exposed and he ended up getting 2 aces instead?

If the answer is no, then he had no right to get angry at the dealer. Plain and simple.

I definitely agree with this and told him about it today. He said it was first time happening to him and that the fact that he could've gotten Aces just made him mad but I told him that if it was other way around where like you said, 7 got exposed and he got two Aces instead, he would be thankful instead, which is quite hypocritical.

For me, I got used to them because I've been playing lot of home games recently and in home games, since the button deals, exposed cards are very common since we're not professional dealers and people who sit in semi-circle parts of the poker table have to deal it across the other side and it can be a problem sometimes that the cards do flip over from time to time as cards get dealt.

I told him about this as we were both playing a home game $13 tourney again today and one of the player who was dealing, ended up misdealing the hand since two cards got exposed. I told the table about what happened to him at the casino and table do agree that it was a dick move and my friend does acknowledge that he was being an ass that time just bcz it could've been pocket Aces. He said he was mostly angry because instead of just moving on and dealing the next hand, dealer called the floorperson to penalize my friend for an issue that the dealer started and everyone else also folded out of turn after he did.

I got knocked out of tournament bcz my Aces got cracked and I joked with him that it might've been a good thing he wasn't dealt Aces bcz they could've gotten cracked. . He was shortly knocked out afterwards too.

 

[Fieldsy]

Accidents happen.

Poker may be all about money for you, but when you go play in a Casino you have to realize a lot of people are playing for fun and I hate it when players play with sticks up their asses. This happened to me with ATs on the button and the Ace flew up. I told the dealer no more tips from me (jokingly) and everyone laughed.

This kind of thing happens. I feel really bad for dealers, because they sometimes have to put up with jackasses.

 

[ScottieDuncan]

That happens in live poker occasionally. U have to roll with the punches and let it go.

 

[Fieldsy]

Dealers aren't always innocent though. I am so glad I never had any major run ins with them.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Yeah but the point is that the dealer made a mistake (this is always going to be a non-zero chance - if he can't handle that, play online), and your friend then didn't make an honest mistake, but DELIBERATELY disrupted the further action by folding face up. If he doesn't understand why his action is infinitely worse than the dealer's, then he shouldn't play live poker until he does.

The dealer didn't have to call the floor unless it was a tournament (I'm still unclear on that). But if it was a tournament, then it's only fair he gets the same penalty anyone else would have for exposing his cards during the hand.