Bozovicdj
Legend
Silver Level
with no reads, just fold. I have seen crazy players shove their entire stacks with all pocket pairs, literally all from 22 to AA. JJ may seem pretty here but don't risk it, see if he does that often, sometimes someone will call, or you will wake up with a monster and call - you gain info - win against him every other time.
Cash games are slow and steady grind, so you have plenty of time to catch good cards and win, even if you folded JJ.
Cash games are slow and steady grind, so you have plenty of time to catch good cards and win, even if you folded JJ.
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EarnDAStack
Visionary
Bronze Level
Yeah I think this is pretty much an auto fold this deep. While I think it's an absolutely terrible play from this Villain as he looses out on so much value when he has a good hand here as he likely does, and risks a lot on the off chance he does this with nothing for fun. JJ is a really good hand, until you need to call a 300BB open shove lol
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EarnDAStack
Visionary
Bronze Level
LevySystem
Rock Star
Silver Level
Then you found yourself a new best friend.
Still, VS unknown KK is a easy fold for 300bb effective. More so JJ.
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EarnDAStack
Visionary
Bronze Level
Maybe against that particular guy it can be a call at some percentage given the info you now have on him but I don't think it's ever going to be a call versus a unknown. I would recommend downloading equilabs (free) or flopzilla ($35 I think) and imputing what would be a "resonable" 300BB open jamming range (I dont think there is such a thing) but you can at least see how different hand's equities interact
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c0rnBr34d
Visionary
Silver Level
I think we have to fold QQ- here 100% of the time the first time he does this. Now that he showed 55 we have a better read for next time. I don't think I'm folding KK though and obviously snapping with AA.
Bozovicdj
Legend
Silver Level
That is exactly in line with what I told you. People are shoving like that anything from 22-AA, and yes, JJ is better then majority of it, but the VERY FIRST time you see that from that player, you have to fold hoping to get info. Next time call that particular player with JJ+, probably with TT too.
I wouldn't recommend calling with AK/AQ as these players will rarely have Ax hands that you dominate, and flipping for all your stack in a cash game knowingly is not a good thing to do.
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EarnDAStack
Visionary
Bronze Level
Literally no one who open jams 300bbs is playing good poker so making assumptions on what Ax hands they would/wouldn't do it with is pointless imo. But with blockers and equity, AK is still a better call than JJ would be. JJ has 2 outs against queens, AKs has 6 and draws. I don't know why would would call with a hand you wouldn't call 4 bet jam with 100bbs deep but you would call an open jam with it for 300bb.
Also in cash if you're not calling off in spots you think you're flipping you're giving away free equity
Evan Jarvis
Legend
Platinum Level
Sounds like you play in a great game
I've seen a couple of your HH threads now and the action at your club seems super wild!
Unfortunately since us at the forum don't know the dynamics of your game it's hard for us to give tips that would be directly applicable to it
Stack em up bro!
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gustav197poker
Legend
Bronze Level
I think with QQ I doesn't withdraw without reading because we don't block A-K. But the most recommended when in doubt is the fold.
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gustav197poker
Legend
Bronze Level
Quite strange the villain's movement. Why he would you waste so much value UTG + 1? The villain don't need to do that with a high pocket. Because most of the time its value would go to waste. I think I would have called if I feel like the villain is very loose. Otherwise standard fold.
Greetings.
Greetings.
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stylebender72
Rock Star
Silver Level
imo this is a stupid play by the villain i think JJ are good in this spot no one even a maniac would open shove 300bb with AA KK QQ they are going to wanna get paid with these premiums so I would call it down and punish him and even go for the flips if he had AQ or AK
ventrolloquist
Visionary
Silver Level
Full table @ $5-$10 NLH. All fold to Hero BTN holding
Read post now
Not a close decision in my opinion
He's counting on lower pairs to call. But it also depends on reads, is this guy a massive fish and shoving any 2 broadways or any suite ace? Or does he shove any pair above 99? etc
If it's a cash game and his shoving range is too wide this is an easy call assuming he always shoves deep stacks like this. If it's a tournament it's autofold at that stack depth.
Edit: just saw you said no reads, definitely fold, not a close spot at all, I would fold kings too.
ventrolloquist
Visionary
Silver Level
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Gorblimey
Rock Star
Silver Level
Can't be can it?
Two hours later, this same villain is UTG+3 and shoves a second time for 300 BBs! Everyone folds and Hero in BB looks down at. Since I now have some kinda read on this palooka, I decide on calling without much pause. Flop is ,. He turns over pocket 55s and I end up losing to a K-high flush!
Two hours later, this same villain is UTG+3 and shoves a second time for 300 BBs! Everyone folds and Hero in BB looks down at
. Since I now have some kinda read on this palooka, I decide on calling without much pause. Flop is ,. He turns over pocket 55s and I end up losing to a K-high flush!