SnG bankroll idea...

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Sit-and-Go bankroll Management Project

1. Use 25% of current bankroll to start SnG bankroll.

2. Divide SnG Bankroll by price of SnG buy in.

3. You will want to be able to play at least 10 games or more at that buy in.

4. Play the same game at the same buy in; heads-up, 9 handed, or 6 handed turbo. This is because the payouts will be different for each one.

5. Keep track of all your winnings.

6. The goal is to reach a 50% or better 1st place win rate. If this goal is reached, you will, at a minimum, have doubled up or SnG bankroll. Not to mention any other money finishes you have placed.

7. If the 50% win rate is reached, I suggest moving up to the next level and doing the same thing. Or you can invest the profits in your bankroll and redo the same level with your initial SnG starting bankroll.

8. If the 50% 1st place win rate is not reached after the total number of games, stick with that level buy-in until it is reached. Only use your starting SnG bankroll, do not include any profits you may have made.

Example:I will be using $90 to play 16 $5.50 SnG games. Lets say after the 16 games, I dont reach my 50% 1st place win rate, but my bankroll is now at $140 ($50 profit). I will only use my initial starting $90 to play the 16 $5.5 SnGs and invest the profits into my bankroll.

9. At a minimum, you will want to reach a 25% 1st place win rate. A 25% 1st place win rate will guarentee you money back for your initial starting SnG bankroll. This is not including any profits you have made.

10. If your 1st place win rate is below 25% or you have lost money in the end, I suggest you move down a buy-in and trying at those levels. However, if your your end results shows little profit or is even with your starting SnG bankroll, you can still with your current level.

On full tilt poker.
Starting SnG Bankroll: $90
SnG buy-in (9 handed): $5.00 + .50
Total number of games played = 16

1st: $22.50
2nd: $13.50
3rd: $9.00

25% 1st place win rate = 4
50% 1st place win rate = 8
 
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Interesting thought. Think i might give that idea a go. Thanks!
 
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50% seems real steep here.
Are you claiming a 50% win rate, can anyone here claim that? Can anyone anywhere?
 
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Cashing 50% is pretty good. To win 50% is a very difficult task.
 
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I have to agree with the last two posters. Just finishing in the money 50% isn't bad, and if you place in first 50% of the time your ITM would be much higher. I think it's unrealistic to set the goal of coming in first half the time. Most times, when you get down to the last three it can be a crapshoot if the stacks are fairly even.
I don't know the math of it right now, but you can be 40% ITM with the majority (not all) being first and you should make a decent profit.
 
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50% seems real steep here.
Are you claiming a 50% win rate, can anyone here claim that? Can anyone anywhere?


i can i have a 179% roi in multi tble sngs with a 50% cash rate and average finish of 5.95 hehe
 
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i can i have a 179% roi in multi tble sngs with a 50% cash rate and average finish of 5.95 hehe

Stefan, I presume cash rate is the same as In The Money... or are you coming in first half the time? And over how many games?

Either way that's very impressive... over 12 6max sngs at FT I'm 128roi% and I thought I was killing. Thats why I avoid you at the tables.:mad:

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not huge sample but not bad all the same:D
 

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pshh tiny sample ;)

very nice results though....


and ya, by %50 do you mean ROI or winning %50 of the time? Both are pretty much unsustainable.
 
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isnt it interesting that the bulk of your winnings comes from 1st/2nd? this is why you go nuts near the bubble.
 
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40% ITM on 10 seater SnGs is generally considered to be as high as it can go over a decent sample (the above is a great run but I'm talking 500+).

I've got 35% ITM on $33 10 seater and $55 and the ROI% is around 25% which is not bad.

% of 1sts is the key I've a lower ITM on 55s but a higher ROI due to number of firsts.


50% 1st can't be done over a decent sample.
 
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ya i know abovesample wont last but hey tis nice while it happens hehe

im looking towards 60 -70% roi over big sample which i should do easy
 
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ya i know abovesample wont last but hey tis nice while it happens hehe

im looking towards 60 -70% roi over big sample which i should do easy

What do you mean by big sample?? From my experiences, 60-70% ROI seems pretty impossible. 30-40% is awesome ROI for a big sample(even 10-20% is great), but 60-70%, its pretty wishful thinking.
 
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at the moment over 22 18 seaters and 49 9 seaters i have got an roi of 69% so maybe wishfull thinking but hey i set my goals high then when i fail ive still made a v good roi
 
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at the moment over 22 18 seaters and 49 9 seaters i have got an roi of 69% so maybe wishfull thinking but hey i set my goals high then when i fail ive still made a v good roi

71 games is not even close to enough of a sample to make any judgment at all.
 
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iof course not but why am i gonna aim for 30-40 % when i can aim higher and still get 30-40%

tis pipedream but when i get to 1k sngs i will aim high and hit lower
 
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iof course not but why am i gonna aim for 30-40 % when i can aim higher and still get 30-40%

tis pipedream but when i get to 1k sngs i will aim high and hit lower

Lol, no worries Stefan, wasn't telling you to aim low. I'm sure all of us go into any SnG or tourney with the mindset that we're going to go for the win. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 
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The issue was about the 50% win rate, not ITM.

Stephanicov, your chart at 4 1st place wins out of 24, is about a 16.667% percent win rate. I sort of consider that a HUGE difference. We see here you are doing a bit better than 50% ITM, which is fabulous. Hope you haven't jinxed yourself now for posting that same chart twice in one week!

The notion was put forward as a project, so no claims have been made as yet. 50% ITM would suit me fine.

It goes on to suggest a min of 25% win rate, which I believe will still make money if you never got any other ITM spots.

The idea of the project may not be winning % anyway. It may be more to get folks thinking about BR management.

At the present my BR management plan is 'If I don't feel right, I won't play".
 
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Over the last 1 SNG I've played, I am 100% ITM, 100% 1st place finishes, and have an ROI of 390%. That will probably change though over time. My next goal is to double my sample size by playing another SNG. :) ;)
 
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Hmmm...maybe 50% is a bit to high...

Maybe it should be based on total ITM percentage and total profit?

Its something im experimenting with at the moment.

Also, the main idea is for bankroll management...Especially for players with just starting BR.

Again, still working on this.
 
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no one can maintain 50% win ratio but i wish you the best of luck doing a i will need for my 1k sng 60 % roi
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with Stefanicov's goal of 70%, if he can maintain his style of play for an extended period of time and plays only when he's at his best mood, I think he can do it.
I remember there was a chart where some of you were comparing how you did on certain days of the week, and if stef plays only on the days that he has made the most on then his goal could be easily reached.
IMO.
 
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What software are you using to analyze your SNGs?
 
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stefanicov what program is that for ur bankroll managment and stats which u displayed the screenshot of. not sure exactly what it does but looks cool.
 
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50% winning percentage? Maybe in heads-up...
 
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