Dorugremon
Rock Star
Silver Level
I never worry about it. ESSSS happens! That's just the way it goes sometimes, and sometimes it goes and goes and goes...
If you get the money in good, and the fish sucks out after making a massively -EV call, "Nice hand, Sir" and move on. Being results oriented is a really bad way to be. Yes, even good players fall prey to this. I was there the night Puggy Pearson got himself perma-banned from the Bellagio after a horrid run of luck at 7-Stud. He put his last $500 into the 10/20 game I was playing, and I have never seen such hideous 7-Stud play, not even in those tiny 1/3 games. He was playing any three, every time.
Best to sit a few out. Good time for a restroom break.
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collesut
Enthusiast
Silver Level
You and me also have to play poker with more discipline when out cards arent good and play the player even online!
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carsguitars777
Rock Star
Silver Level
I can still make money playing, but it is much harder now then it was back when everyone and their mom played, I am a much better player now then back then but I made more then because of all the fish.. as for monthley earnings, it all depends on the amount I play, as I play more now for fun than as a full time job, I expect to make between 3 to 4 bucks an hour playing.. not really a good living at all. This is done multi tabling online low limits or live casino play..
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pokervike
Rock Star
Silver Level
* Sorry, not meaning to berate grinders at 1/2, just saying from what I see it isnt a particularly easy lifestyle.
Sorry so late to the party, when I read this I remembered something about the way I used to think and what I was missing. I was big on the coffee table advice. Hoping to get to the next level. Try to remember that only the top eight percent are profitable long term. I'm talking years. I too have my own jealousy issues when the grinding for dollars is pushing up dimes. Get yourself a coach and or get yourself a break. Stop worrying about other people's progress and worry about your own. Take notes in the parking lot and yes 1/2 is not a living if you have a family. Poker is a bitch no matter how bad the players are and believe in tough love. Because that may be the last part of your game that you need. I'm up over 7k in the last three years brick and mortar. My play times are limited and the world is going to spin whether your up or down at the table. Only the winning was easy the rest is a pain in the ass.
Sorry so late to the party, when I read this I remembered something about the way I used to think and what I was missing. I was big on the coffee table advice. Hoping to get to the next level. Try to remember that only the top eight percent are profitable long term. I'm talking years. I too have my own jealousy issues when the grinding for dollars is pushing up dimes. Get yourself a coach and or get yourself a break. Stop worrying about other people's progress and worry about your own. Take notes in the parking lot and yes 1/2 is not a living if you have a family. Poker is a bitch no matter how bad the players are and believe in tough love. Because that may be the last part of your game that you need. I'm up over 7k in the last three years brick and mortar. My play times are limited and the world is going to spin whether your up or down at the table. Only the winning was easy the rest is a pain in the ass.
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Giveitago
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Of course there is money in poker. There are always going to be bad players, people going on tilt, people just gambling to gamble and people that are just easy to read. If you aren't finding profit in poker you're just simply not as good as you think, and that is the cold hard truth. study up and stay ahead of the curve. Poker is an easy game if you're really good at it, but to get to that point you have to put in the work.
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Toobuck4U
Rising Star
Silver Level
If you can't beat these microstake idiots as you call them what makes you think you can beat better players? I've heard the reasoning b4 "well they will respect my bets and raises more at higher stakes"...wrong. microstakes players might beat you with 47 off bc they get lucky but better players will beat you with 47 off bc they will out play you.
LinkornU
Rock Star
Silver Level
Profit? I really doubt about that. I mean only 5-10% ppl make a profit and even you're profitable this month or this year doesn't guarantee that you'll be profitable next month/year. Poker is a kind of lottery - you need to be lucky to dealt the right cards, then be flopped the right cards, not to be beaten by a bad beat etc.
So play poker for fun, don't spend your time taking it serously
So play poker for fun, don't spend your time taking it serously
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Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
Listen to me carefully.
Playing tight doesn't work anymore. You NEED to become brutally aggressive when you do play.
TAG is still the fundamental concept to profit but the AG is much more significant than the T now, you need to truly scare people off because people in a hand all have good starting hands nowadays, starting hand education is the norm it's mid hand domination that is still not taught well in poker schools.
Be a psychopath and you will profit. Do not be aggressive to make more money, be aggressive to make anyone fold or if they call then you pretty much are beat so back down (unless you fancy a shot at it or whatever).
Playing tight doesn't work anymore. You NEED to become brutally aggressive when you do play.
TAG is still the fundamental concept to profit but the AG is much more significant than the T now, you need to truly scare people off because people in a hand all have good starting hands nowadays, starting hand education is the norm it's mid hand domination that is still not taught well in poker schools.
Be a psychopath and you will profit. Do not be aggressive to make more money, be aggressive to make anyone fold or if they call then you pretty much are beat so back down (unless you fancy a shot at it or whatever).
Dorugremon
Rock Star
Silver Level
That's always been true, and that's how I've always played.
I doubt this very much. Judging from the starting hands I've seen, it doesn't look very much like they've been getting lessons in starting hand value. They'll even go all-in with some of the goddamnedest hands.
If you want to win, then you need to adjust to how they're playing, get a line on their play, watch showdowns and figure out their likely ranges from various positions, and pay attention both to what you see and what you don't see. You also need to see who are the thinking players, and, yes, they do exist even as low as 10NL.
Being mindlessly aggro is a sure ticket to Brokesville.
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Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
Being passive is a sure ticket to losing more in blinds alone than you ever make overall.
Dorugremon
Rock Star
Silver Level
Reading comprehension problems?
That has Not Thing One to do with anything I wrote about. What I'm saying is understand your opponents, how they play, and pick your spots for targeted aggression.
"Be a psychopath and you will profit", doesn't work. That's just being an aggrotard and you will lose just as certainly as any weak-tight player.
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Allmine79
Rock Star
Silver Level
Poker can be brutal on the Bankroll.
1st off I agree when you say a bunch of people state they always make a profit long term. I have been playing for over 20 years and trust me I have played plenty of liars in my time on the felt. If you are shoving in with the best possible hands pre-flop and losing to clowns trust me it happens alot these days so don't be so tough on yourself or your game.I can tell you this much, since the days of Full tilt and pokerstars getting shut down its been pretty tough to build a roll on the available sites due to crazy river and runner runner beats. Most people still play and look at the game like they are playing bingo which causes terrible variance especially in micro-Low Limit. Hell I'm only averaging a little under $9 per hour online after 80 hrs played this year, where live @ Casino/House Games I'm running really well with over $200 + per hour. Let me assure you the days of waiting on premiums while playing tight aggressive is over. The game has changed and if you cant judge where you are in the hand by playing the player not the cards you can kiss any ROI goodbye. Tricky suited gap hands and sneaking in with low pockets always seem to be my money makers while losing players all cancel each other out with there high rank starters. Can you tell me what limits you are playing and if they are Ring/STT, short or long hand so I can better judge whats happening? I love helping people with there game so If I can share a few things that work for me to help your game then I will do just that. Feel free to hit me up with a pm. Until then I hope you catch fire on the Cyber Felts!
1st off I agree when you say a bunch of people state they always make a profit long term. I have been playing for over 20 years and trust me I have played plenty of liars in my time on the felt. If you are shoving in with the best possible hands pre-flop and losing to clowns trust me it happens alot these days so don't be so tough on yourself or your game.I can tell you this much, since the days of Full tilt and pokerstars getting shut down its been pretty tough to build a roll on the available sites due to crazy river and runner runner beats. Most people still play and look at the game like they are playing bingo which causes terrible variance especially in micro-Low Limit. Hell I'm only averaging a little under $9 per hour online after 80 hrs played this year, where live @ Casino/House Games I'm running really well with over $200 + per hour. Let me assure you the days of waiting on premiums while playing tight aggressive is over. The game has changed and if you cant judge where you are in the hand by playing the player not the cards you can kiss any ROI goodbye. Tricky suited gap hands and sneaking in with low pockets always seem to be my money makers while losing players all cancel each other out with there high rank starters. Can you tell me what limits you are playing and if they are Ring/STT, short or long hand so I can better judge whats happening? I love helping people with there game so If I can share a few things that work for me to help your game then I will do just that. Feel free to hit me up with a pm. Until then I hope you catch fire on the Cyber Felts!
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Allmine79
Rock Star
Silver Level
Online Breakdown for this year using Checkyourbets.com as you can see I'm not getting rich playing online either. Its a tough a__ grind to say the least.
Net Win/Loss $ 709.06
Current Streak $ -1.74
Real Hours Played 79.6
Gross Winnings $ 1,085.75
Best Streak $ 531.00
Hourly Rate $ 8.91
Gross Losses $ -376.69
Worst Streak $ -160.00
Standard Deviation $22.53
Net Win/Loss $ 709.06
Current Streak $ -1.74
Real Hours Played 79.6
Gross Winnings $ 1,085.75
Best Streak $ 531.00
Hourly Rate $ 8.91
Gross Losses $ -376.69
Worst Streak $ -160.00
Standard Deviation $22.53
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danielsa8911
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Making Money
I lose just as much as they next person, and I've recently been flushed out, but lately I've been taking time to study the game and correcting my mistake. Heads up sit n gos look like a very profitable game to play online and I'm planning on making that my next approach. Just thing, BetOnline's high buy in for heads up play is 525. If you are skilled enough, and have the bankroll to afford it, then you could be making 500-1000 each day atleast. Its a good thing to consider.
I lose just as much as they next person, and I've recently been flushed out, but lately I've been taking time to study the game and correcting my mistake. Heads up sit n gos look like a very profitable game to play online and I'm planning on making that my next approach. Just thing, BetOnline's high buy in for heads up play is 525. If you are skilled enough, and have the bankroll to afford it, then you could be making 500-1000 each day atleast. Its a good thing to consider.