Playing my set on the flop

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Tomgalusha

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Wanted to hear everyone’s thoughts on playing this set on the flop.


Game- 2-3 holdem spread limit, 300 max bet, 600 max buy in
Casino: Talking Stick AZ
Game is 7 handed with covid plexiglass

Villain is far too loose, raises too often, and way too wide based on his position in most. hands. I am immediately to his left and have been pounding on him all night with 3 bets of $45 to $80 over his open raises of $10 to $15. Only once out of 8 or 9 times did he 4-bet and I had to fold. He calls my 3-bets light every time I isolate him and he bricks the flop and I’ve scooped every pot from him for hours. He is stuck at least $600 (maybe more) and visible frustrated.

Hand in question:
Effective stacks: $600 (I have $800 and have villains $600 covered) also big blind has about $800 as well but this isn’t as important.

Villain open raises to $15 from middle position I call with 2-2 in the cut off, button and small blind fold, big blind calls. 3 way action to the flop and I have position. About $40 in the pot after rake.

Flop: King of spades, four of diamonds, deuce of hearts (K-4-2 rainbow)
Big blind checks, villain checks, and I bet my set of deuces. I bet $15. Big blind check raises to $45, villain calls, and it’s back on me. I ponder whether I should just call and let a turn peel knowing that both my opponents are probably drawing very thin no matter what they hold, or raise and see if at least one or both players will come along with a king or weak draw. I decide with position to flat, and raise any bet on the turn so long it’s not a 3 or 5, since it is possible either opponent could have A3s or A5s for a wheel draw and back door flush draw, or maybe 5-6 suited. Pot is $175

Turn: is Queen of Spades. This brings in a back door spade draw and anyone with K-Q just made top two. Great. Not so great though is the big blind who check raised flop doesn’t follow through and bet. He checks, villian checks. I bet $150 hoping someone has AK, or better yet, KQ, or maybe someone will stick around with A-3 of spades, or A-5 spades (wheel and flush draw), but I am not too optimistic with both players checking. Big blind folds (he says he had AK and folded, but TBH, I think he is full of shit and was probably weaker than that, if he did fold, what a nit). The villian now check raises to $450.. he only has $90 more behind, so I elect to reraise and put him all in. I did consider folding for a millisecond, but felt like I’d be over folding the winner too much of the time in this spot, considering the villain could have AK, KQ, K4suited, or be spazzing out with A3 spades, A5 spades A4 spades A10 spades AJ spades, the last two he would have had to float air on the flop to be betting those on the turn If I am beat by a slow played set of kings or set 4’s then oh well, shit happens. Can’t be folding sets in these spots at these stakes.

River: 9 of clubs pretty much a brick and should not change anything. villain tables Q-Q for a turned set. My set of deuces lose.

So was my flop play to flat the $45 check raise a bad play? Should I have just reraised right there on the flop and most likely have lost both players and the hand would have been over? Can I ever fold to that turn check raise of $300?

It felt like a good spot to trap since the board was fairly dry on the flop and there were not going to be very many bad turn cards, and I was most likely going to be bet into on the turn by the big blind, and the villian would probably call again, and I could then raise both players. Thoughts and feedback greatly appreciated.
 
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The preflop call is fine. We can also lock the equity of closed MP position and with a low pocket we could 3-bet, as you retain around 33% of the equity of the high pockets. You also want to exploit your villain who plays with wide ranges. If the MP 4-bet, you can fold comfortably as your calling range to 4-bet should be limited to better hands for this villain.
On the flop you have an opportunity to try to build a pot. Because villains might perceive that you are trying to eliminate them, because you don't have a true showdown value.
When the BB raises again it is a place to evaluate. The reason is that your range is capped. So when BB raises he is trying to regain some of his lost values ​​preflop. While the MP opener seems to have gone into bluff capture mode. Which is good for us, but not so good. Because opener has a range advantage and should keep the strongest possessions (QQ-AA) on this super dry board. That is, he doesn't need any protection, so he represents a wider checking / calling range on the flop.
So we are in a 3MWB and the villainous ranges seem to not fold equity often enough. Our intention should be not to eliminate the hands that we beat. So I prefer to call the flop.
The turn has the same tendency. Some draws are added that make it less likely to find folds on the villains. I would recommend checking behind. If you bet here you are entering the psychological game of the villain MP. He has been in an uproar for hours as you said, and now he is quite passive, to then unleash his “nonsense” aggressiveness.
Our range of values ​​is very incomplete. As played I would recommend bet / fold on this turn. The villain shows that he has a lot of strength in his range, while we have a wider range of bluffs, but the MP has now set a real price.
Greetings.
 
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preflop is fine, we don't always need to 3 bet these baby pairs with position though it is fine to mix it in at some frequency vs villains with low 4 bet frequencies. I would say the main line is flat. I also agree with our decision on flop. With 2 villains I would look to size a bit more than 15 even though flop is super dry, we can expect that our opponents will call us relatively static on this board texture meaning that their decision to call or fold is not likely to be influenced by the difference between betting 15 and betting 25-30 so I would opt for the larger sizing here for this reason. Once we are raised the key question is not whether we should raise 22 in this spot or not, but whether we should develop any raise range at all. Generally speaking, in these spots when the flop is so dry and uncoordinated, I want to see us just flat our whole continue range. The vast majority of our continue range is going to be Kx holdings, the odd 56s with backdoor flush draw, and of course 22/44. If we were going to look to raise we would want to ask ourselves, what bluffs/semi bluffs are we going to be incorporating into our continue range for balance in this spot. There are not many very good combos, maybe we can work in A3s and 56s from time to time and build a raise range of 22/44/A3s/56s but this is much more complicated than the very obvious and unexploitable strategy of just playing everything as a flat. When we have 22, the villains raise range is going to be extremely bluff heavy because we drastically block his value raise range (42/K2) and we crush the K4s if he ever has that, so we are losing to exclusively 44 and if he has that then oh well. When we flat everything we not only make it less likely we fold out the BB but we are also more likely to keep in the original raiser. We are not afraid to see a turn multi way on this texture.

As for turn, once we are raised it is very unfortunate but there's probably no way we are realistically going to get away from our set. Not with all the draws and combo draws that this exact turn produces, we are just going to need to go with our hand because we are much too close to the top of our range to fold. If we fold 22 here then we actually have no calls because 22 is the absolute best hand we can have in this spot (its actually 44 but because villain shouldn't ever be checking 44 on flop after being original opener, we can basically rule 44 out of his range which means 22/44 are the same for us in this exact spot). We never have KK and we never have QQ which means 22 is going to be as good as it gets. It doesn't seem like you have enough of a read on this villain to indicate that he would only do this with a set and when we add in the fact that villain is tilting, we have what I believe to be a very standard GII. Now seeing that he got this sticky with QQ vs a bet and raise on flop we get confirmation for our read that it is absolutely mandatory that we go for this spot.

Unlucky, but well played OP
 
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On the flop if I hit a pair or have a flush or straight draw I bet once or twice the big blind or if I hit a flush or straight check so that the other players bet and I reise or call depending on how strong it is my hand :D
 
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I can see flatting the flop raise to slow play the aggro donk if it's a headsup. Let him hang himself.

But once the third guy calls I am raising that sith up big IF I feel like the check raiser does not have a bigger set. Since you feel like he's full of it then reraise it.

It may not have changed the outcome since the QQ guy may not be able to lay it down, but at least I would know I got the chips in there when I am the big fav.
 
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