***Marg's Meh March cash thread***

[Cafeman]

Who needs avatars anyway.

 

[JOEBOB69]

Who needs avatars anyway.

Yeah my thoughts exactly. I don't need to see a picture of a old black and white film with a guy with a huge cheeto to his ear any way.

 

[ScottishMatt]

I think I'm gonna stick with 6 tables from now on. I made some fairly specific calls in my last session that I would never have been able to do if I was 9 tabling. Session was pretty chaotic but I felt like I learned a lot. I always thought that I wasn't on autopilot while 9-tabling, turns out I was and I didn't even know it.

How many tables before you guys auto pilot?

 

[dmorris68]

http://imgur.com/a/T8hnO

David Thorne is hilarious. Been reading his work for a couple years. Check out his site (or buy his books) if you want enough to keep you busy for awhile.

 

[hackmeplz]

http://www.dontevenreply.com/ is better

 

[hackmeplz]

lol this is like my first real session this month, played for like half an hour +1k, safe to say I'm still running hot. Gem of the session:

 

[ScottishMatt]

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2154091
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: $2.25
MP: $0.82
CO: $2.00
BTN: $2.85
SB: $2.41
Hero (BB): $2.50

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with T :diamond: K :diamond:
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.28, Hero raises to $2.50 all in, 1 fold

Sit the **** down.

 

[WVHillbilly]

lol that's pretty damn bad.

 

[ScottishMatt]

You had to be there.

 

[JOEBOB69]

Somebody should of been there to talk some sense into ya.
Edit i see avatars holla at ya boy

 

[ScottishMatt]

I'll let you guys blast on me for a while about that hand, just while my ego is reaching gargantuan proportions. Then I'll put it in context for you.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Here is some more ammo for you guys, because I can take it right now. Was actually a misclick. Ohhh man would I have been pissed if I was on the receiving end of this one.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2154122
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: $5.62
CO: $0.41
BTN: $3.03
SB: $2.00
Hero (BB): $2.45
UTG: $2.38

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 5 :heart: 5 :spade:
UTG raises to $0.06, MP raises to $0.18, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.16, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.55) T :spade: 5 :club: 2 :heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.34, Hero calls $0.34, UTG folds

Turn: ($1.23) 3 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.80, Hero raises to $1.93 all in, MP calls $1.13

River: ($5.09) 7 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $5.09
MP shows Q :spade: Q :heart: (a pair of Queens)
Hero shows 5 :heart: 5 :spade: (three of a kind, Fives)
Hero wins $4.91
(Rake: $0.18)

 

[JOEBOB69]

I'm assuming his limp,3bet raise,fold to 4bet was 100% and converged right?
Edit: BTW if you want to 4bet spew .72 does the same thing,and if he calls and you still want to spew you can then shove flop.

 

[ScottishMatt]

All right, I'll break it down. Now I know he knows how to isolate, because he, along with me, had been pounding on the fish to his right, the same guy who limped this hand. I had also been picking on this guy a fair bit, and he hadn't played back so far. He made a couple fairly obvious mistakes that I could picked up on. Like donking into me with his weak top pair/strong mid pair/flush draw. However he would fold when raised, so he isn't a station who doesn't know when he is beat. That fact that I've been running fairly good at this table also came into play, a few times he saw me make the same isolation raise vs another fish and I showed up with an overpair both times.


I'm positive he isolates the fish with the top 20% of his range, he was playing about 34/22 over like 30 hands. I know he will isolate when he dominates the fish, coupled with the fact that I've been unstoppable at this table and he wants to punish me, I think it is a fairly easy shove. There is no way that he will limp behind with a hand that he would be willing to 3-bet/4-bet/GII with. Good chance he had me beat with say a small/medium PP, but he has shown a tendency to fold when push comes to shove and he doesn't actually have it.



You know it is amazing how much information you can pick up on people when you don't play so many tables.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Well then your hand is prob in not bad shape vs the reg cuz he'll be isoing with worse, and you pushed the fish out of the pot who def has a worse hand??

 

[xdeucesx]

All right, I'll break it down. Now I know he knows how to isolate, because he, along with me, had been pounding on the fish to his right, the same guy who limped this hand. I had also been picking on this guy a fair bit, and he hadn't played back so far. He made a couple fairly obvious mistakes that I could picked up on. Like donking into me with his weak top pair/strong mid pair/flush draw. However he would fold when raised, so he isn't a station who doesn't know when he is beat. That fact that I've been running fairly good at this table also came into play, a few times he saw me make the same isolation raise vs another fish and I showed up with an overpair both times.


I'm positive he isolates the fish with the top 20% of his range, he was playing about 34/22 over like 30 hands. I know he will isolate when he dominates the fish, coupled with the fact that I've been unstoppable at this table and he wants to punish me, I think it is a fairly easy shove. There is no way that he will limp behind with a hand that he would be willing to 3-bet/4-bet/GII with. Good chance he had me beat with say a small/medium PP, but he has shown a tendency to fold when push comes to shove and he doesn't actually have it.



You know it is amazing how much information you can pick up on people when you don't play so many tables.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's good your thinking about ranges/reg's isoing fish, but at 2nl, I think it was more this guy thinking "I haz QQ, I raise"

I don't think this is ever a call with stacks being 100 bbs tbh

edit: didn't see stack sizes being a bit larger....but anyways, this just rubs off as FPS attempting to setmine by flat 3b's IP w/small pocket pairs at 2nl.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Completely misread that hand lol, still looks a bit fancy for 2nl

 

[ScottishMatt]

I mean if I get limp raised normally I'm folding almost any hand. Normally it is a super strong range and I'm gonna play back with the nuttiest hands possible. This situation is so specific, I mean this guys probably isn't very good, but he isn't a dumbshit. I tried to look at it from his perspective before I shoved and I didn't find any likely hand that he would play this way which can call a shove.


Let me ask this. How many of you guys, if you had a hand strong enough to limp/raise/GII with, would choose to limp behind in the hopes of inducing an isolation from a reg as opposed to isolating the easy target yourself?


I'm referring to the hand where I 4-bet shove pre with KTs. The 55 hand was a complete misclick. lol.

 

[WVHillbilly]

I mean if I get limp raised normally I'm folding almost any hand. Normally it is a super strong range and I'm gonna play back with the nuttiest hands possible. This situation is so specific, I mean this guys probably isn't very good, but he isn't a dumbshit. I tried to look at it from his perspective before I shoved and I didn't find any likely hand that he would play this way which can call a shove.


Let me ask this. How many of you guys, if you had a hand strong enough to limp/raise/GII with, would choose to limp behind in the hopes of inducing an isolation from a reg as opposed to isolating the easy target yourself?

None. BUT he's also going to fold almost everything to a MUCH smaller 4bet. All I was saying was, that if you must 4bet, save yourself some cash when he does have a hand because if he calls the shove you are ****ED!!!

 

[ScottishMatt]

^^ good point. I was just thinking about repping the strongest range possible. Come to think of it though, a smaller 4-bet probably looks stronger. If he was ever going to try and catch me bluffing it would be when I shove here.


We are agreed that he is playing back at me here, right? I can see one problem with making a 4-bet that isn't a shove. It seems that if he is in playback mode and insists upon playing back at me, I can't go over his 5-bet/shove. By making my 4-bet a shove I remove all maneuverability from him. I think it is highly unlikely that he would try to outlevel me to that extent but I would appreciate anyone else's input on what is best.

Shame I never thought about all this during the hand, thanks for raising that point WV.

Edit - here is the hand I was talking about for you guys who got it mixed up with the 55 hand.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2154091
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: $2.25
MP: $0.82
CO: $2.00
BTN: $2.85
SB: $2.41
Hero (BB): $2.50

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with T

K

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.28, Hero raises to $2.50 all in, 1 fold

 

[Marginal]

http://www.dontevenreply.com/ is better

This is hands down way worse. Also, if you read The book, how he gets out of the 10 complaints is way better than the complaints themselves.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

All right, I'll break it down. Now I know he knows how to isolate, because he, along with me, had been pounding on the fish to his right, the same guy who limped this hand. I had also been picking on this guy a fair bit, and he hadn't played back so far. He made a couple fairly obvious mistakes that I could picked up on. Like donking into me with his weak top pair/strong mid pair/flush draw. However he would fold when raised, so he isn't a station who doesn't know when he is beat. That fact that I've been running fairly good at this table also came into play, a few times he saw me make the same isolation raise vs another fish and I showed up with an overpair both times.


I'm positive he isolates the fish with the top 20% of his range, he was playing about 34/22 over like 30 hands. I know he will isolate when he dominates the fish, coupled with the fact that I've been unstoppable at this table and he wants to punish me, I think it is a fairly easy shove. There is no way that he will limp behind with a hand that he would be willing to 3-bet/4-bet/GII with. Good chance he had me beat with say a small/medium PP, but he has shown a tendency to fold when push comes to shove and he doesn't actually have it.



You know it is amazing how much information you can pick up on people when you don't play so many tables.

Even if you knew all that as well as you claim, you didn't need to shove to get the job done, plus it seems a little silly to risk so much on such a small-edge play if you have that big of an edge post flop. But w/e, I'll just say nh.

 

[ScottishMatt]

I definitely have a postflop edge in general, but with this scenario doesn't my postflop edge decrease dramatically? If I'll be lacking position, in a bloated pot with a lower SPR than normal and without the initiative, you can't be suggesting calling. So I don't really see where postflop edge can come into the equation here. I'm assuming that you agree with WV on a small 4-bet?

At least I got the 4-bet bit right.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I'm not talking about post-flop edge in this particular spot. I'm talking your post-flop edge in general. There's no reason to go into huge high variance spots when you have a post-flop edge on the guy and know you're going to be winning money off of him in low-variance, decent-return spots.

 

[ScottishMatt]

I see where you are coming from. I don't usually think about variance in those terms. I have to question whether it was high variance though, I don't think he ever calls here with his suited connectors and suited aces. Possibly calls with 55/66 maybe 77 at best. Anything higher and he isolates the fish himself. This isn't a regular situation so I don't see him calling much even if we ran this out 100 times. With the amount of times he will be folding here and giving up all the dead money, compared to the times when he calls with his mid PP's and I still have a chunk of equity I don't see it being that high variance. It was a weird spot, and not a situation that I've ever been in before so I don't see it ever arising again. The dynamic was fairly unique. I'd been running hot and he decided to play back at me in a spot where his range can easily be defined as the bottom half of what he plays. KTs dominates that, or is at very least flipping with a PP.

The reason i didn't question variance is because I doubted I would ever get a call, like I said I don't see him calling here with A3o or 79s. Maybe that is a misconception that I need to purge.