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Marginal
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KerouacsDog
Legend
Silver Level
ok, thats something I can work on then. thanks.
LuckyChippy
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
First, your OP has so many possible legitimate answers. You could be playing differently at different sites (your VPIP/PFR) are about 1% of the picture or players can be playing differently or you're table selecting badly. Then there's the fact that you've played 5k hands there. You can't possibly know if you're a winner there or not yet. You can break even for 5k hands, you can lose for 20k and be a lifetime winner. It just so happens your losing hands are at a particular site.
Another point is that you should be playing differently at every table you play. If the players were that much different between sites then your stats would be too, not the same. That means if it is the players than you're not adjusting properly.
And in a way it is a rigtard thread, you can't qualify it just by saying it isn't when you're saying rigtard things.
If you need to adjust differently then do it, we can't help except for individual hands, if you don't want to adjust then play elsewhere. And wait till you have more than a few days hands before making decisions about your wr.
Another point is that you should be playing differently at every table you play. If the players were that much different between sites then your stats would be too, not the same. That means if it is the players than you're not adjusting properly.
And in a way it is a rigtard thread, you can't qualify it just by saying it isn't when you're saying rigtard things.
If you need to adjust differently then do it, we can't help except for individual hands, if you don't want to adjust then play elsewhere. And wait till you have more than a few days hands before making decisions about your wr.
Jurn8
Legend
Silver Level
microgaming games run much tighter preflop regs arent getting it in with less than AK and QQ+ and they are very tight postflop so you can barrell them off alot of hands.
PS games are alot looser and people adjust wider and combat 3b/4b light whereas microgamings will maybe call then just fold alot of flops + turns and rarely play back.
Aggro in correct spots can crush microgaming from my experience at 20 - 100
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KerouacsDog
Legend
Silver Level
from off the top of my head I play the same at all sites, thats why Ive got the guide for hands in different positions, till Ive learnt them from heart. As Im still new to ring, with not many hands, Im still just learning pf and postflop play, so adjusting is there, but not a key factor of my game, guess it needs to be. thanks for help
this is a great help, thanks jake, will try some sessions at ps tomorrow and see how I get on, maybe post a few hands here for analysis.
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fugitive67
Rock Star
Silver Level
i wouldn't leave PS, but heck if you are running good at fishier sites, then go with it ... money is money ... PS isnt going anywhere ...
i saw someone suggest picking a better table, which makes sense ... if you got the info, then u can probably find that fishy table at PS ... then u got the best of both worlds ... good luck
i saw someone suggest picking a better table, which makes sense ... if you got the info, then u can probably find that fishy table at PS ... then u got the best of both worlds ... good luck
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Chemist
Legend
Silver Level
Are you getting it in good and getting sucked out on? (Lets not go there lol).
Are the pots growing quicker or smaller?
Are you 'really' playing the same? Different interfaces, graphics and betsliders could produce different styles.
Lots of things to analyse.
But with all other things equal it could be an indication of different opponent styles at different sites.
Does this mean pokerstars players are better?
Interesting thing to keep monitoring, although I think we all go through phases of getting better results at one site over another and then it swaps back again.
Are the pots growing quicker or smaller?
Are you 'really' playing the same? Different interfaces, graphics and betsliders could produce different styles.
Lots of things to analyse.
But with all other things equal it could be an indication of different opponent styles at different sites.
Does this mean pokerstars players are better?
Interesting thing to keep monitoring, although I think we all go through phases of getting better results at one site over another and then it swaps back again.
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
KD. I'm sure you read this ^ post (pretty sure I saw you write a comment after it). But then I read some of your posts further along in this thread & to me it seems like you missed what was written in baudib's post.
Read it again.
Also, 100% for sure the play is different on some of the diffent sites/networks. For micro cash games, 888Poker is ridiculously soft with just a TON of noobs on the tables (& the ones who are on there regularly are piss-poor players compared to some of the other sites.. ie. PokerStars). I'm sure I've ran at over 40bb/100 on 888Poker (2nl) (I played on there, off & on for ~2mos., recreationally 10+-tabling & ran my roll up to over $400.. doubt I played 25,000 hands.. probably alot less than that).
On Stars in the micros, you'll find ALOT of players who've played 300, 500, 1.3million hands + There are LOTS of them on there. Much more so than anyother site.
benevg
Legend
Silver Level
KD, the competition at stars is definitely showing in the class of the players you play against. in the micros, there is simply no place where your opponents will be better. even here we have some people who talk of light 4-betting and balancing ranges and what-not and they play 2 or 5nl. so if you really want to grow as a player, you will need to learn to beat those opponents. that said, there really is no need to stay there if you are losing. just play elsewhere and return to stars once you feel you have gotten to the point where this level should seem easy. good luck!
acky100
Legend
Silver Level
Not flaming it just really tilts me why everyone thinks stars really tight:
- 5k hands is a days worth of hands for some - 100% variance, if you're legit beating other sites for 10bb or whatever you aint gonna be losing on stars.
- It's 5nl, whatever anyone says about it being rammed full of nits, If it isn't, if that's the case you'e not table selecting well enough because there is always so many more fish than the nits, which themselves are no problem at the tables because they dont play hands, easy money.
- Pokerstars fish are exactly the same as any other sites fish, they are terrible.
- move/stay - stop using a hand chart and play hands with fish whenever you can, not just when your chart says you can play a hand
- 5k hands is a days worth of hands for some - 100% variance, if you're legit beating other sites for 10bb or whatever you aint gonna be losing on stars.
- It's 5nl, whatever anyone says about it being rammed full of nits, If it isn't, if that's the case you'e not table selecting well enough because there is always so many more fish than the nits, which themselves are no problem at the tables because they dont play hands, easy money.
- Pokerstars fish are exactly the same as any other sites fish, they are terrible.
- move/stay - stop using a hand chart and play hands with fish whenever you can, not just when your chart says you can play a hand
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orangepeeleo
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
5k hands is just variance, the micros gets raked to f**k though so its never gonna be a bad idea to leave stars, as long as you have decent rb elsewhere.
I myself have just left to go to ipoker, gonna give it a month there playing
20nl FR and see what rb is like, games, traffic etc whilst all this stuffs going on with stars, worse case I find its shit, earn a bit of rb and move back to stars in a month
I myself have just left to go to ipoker, gonna give it a month there playing
20nl FR and see what rb is like, games, traffic etc whilst all this stuffs going on with stars, worse case I find its shit, earn a bit of rb and move back to stars in a month
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Pokertron3000
Available for parties
Silver Level
I think post has a lot to it, dont get me wrong of course there are lots of terrible players there but for the lower levels a nice RB deal and a smaller site can help. Sure so can adjusting to the table but even at lower levels there are or was mass tabling nits everywhere plus the rake plus standard verience means the very lowest levels can seem like a hard slog. It actually used to confuse me why so many people would 20 table 5nl and struggle out a gold star and I would see the same players sometimes from year to year when I would jump in cash games for a few weeks.
Moving site at a time like this can help a great deal, so can understanding the verience more (not flaming) and putting in a nice sample on hands, even if its just for a solid months grind and see how your results go.
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Not disagreeing with any of your post at all.... 'but' do have a question for ya. What other sites have you played on? (for comparsion sake). Cuz if you haven't played on microgaming &/or 888Poker you might be shocked by what you see there (ask anyone who's played much on either, vs. Stars). Aldito... jump in here & tell us what your experience has been like on 888
