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Dennis C

Dennis C

Guest
:mad: Slow play bites you in the ass.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
pokerstars Game #3334046010: Tournament #16317593, Hold'em No Limit -
Level VI (100/200) - 2005/12/14 - 18:53:43 (ET)
Table '16317593 89' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dartman18 (910 in chips)
Seat 2: BoredStiffer (7870 in chips)
Seat 3: Arkeee (5030 in chips)
Seat 4: superbizon (1435 in chips)
Seat 5: KDawg0002 (4030 in chips)
Seat 6: brianna c (5130 in chips)
Seat 7: lopes26 (2065 in chips)
Seat 8: DONHORT (7500 in chips)
Seat 9: tylertrue (3415 in chips)
Arkeee: posts small blind 100
superbizon: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to brianna c [Ah As]
tylertrue said, "why werent you goin all in with 99"
KDawg0002: folds
brianna c: raises 200 to 400
lopes26: folds
tylertrue said, "not gonna get too many chances like that wiht your
chips"
DONHORT: calls 400
tylertrue: folds
dartman18: folds
BoredStiffer: folds
Arkeee: folds
superbizon: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 3h Ac]
brianna c: checks
DONHORT: checks
*** TURN *** [5d 3h Ac] [Kd]
brianna c: checks
DONHORT: checks
*** RIVER *** [5d 3h Ac Kd] [Jc]
brianna c: bets 1000
DONHORT: raises 1000 to 2000
brianna c: raises 2730 to 4730 and is all-in
DONHORT: calls 2730
*** SHOW DOWN ***
brianna c: shows [Ah As] (three of a kind, Aces)
DONHORT: shows [Qh Td] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
tylertrue said, "rough"
DONHORT collected 10560 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10560 | Rake 0
Board [5d 3h Ac Kd Jc]
Seat 1: dartman18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BoredStiffer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Arkeee (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: superbizon (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: KDawg0002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: brianna c showed [Ah As] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 7: lopes26 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DONHORT showed [Qh Td] and won (10560) with a straight, Ten to
Ace
Seat 9: tylertrue folded before Flop (didn't bet)



What a heart breaker.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Was this a really wrong thing?
 
Jesus Lederer

Jesus Lederer

Rock Star
In my opinion yes.

Preflop i´d have raised to 600. I know that probably he would have called anyway, but that´s a good reason to raise more than 2xBB with aces, because you want to put more money in the pot with a monster like that.

In the flop i think that the check may be correct, because you have top set and there isn´t any obvious draw that your opponent could be holding. The flop is rainbow and is very unlikely that he has the straight draw.
So my reasons of why, in my opinion, a check is good here are:
1. If your opponent has been aggressive with his big stack you´re allowing him to bet after you check.
2.- If he checks there isn´t any card that could scare you in the turn.
3.- You are letting your opponent the chance to hit something so you could take more chips from him afterwards.

Now in my opinion the big mistake came in the turn. The turn is a K. If we analyze the 3 reason of why the check was made in the flop, they all tell you to don´t check again in the turn.
1.- He didn´t bet to bully you after your check so most likely he won´t do it again if you check now.
2.- Now the river card could either scare you or be a completely blank, so you in the river you are going to either lose a lot (if he hits something better than you) or win nothing (if a blank comes you´re going to win the same by betting or checking).
3.- The K was a perfect card to believe that your opponent hit something. If he didn´t has an A or a K, then it doesn´t matter, but you can´t wait forever until he hit his card.
For those 3 reasons i think that a bet would be better than a check.

In the river i don´t blame you. Althought his raise showed strength, i think that the all in was good.
 
twizzybop

twizzybop

Legend
Jesus has it right on the nose..However it was a trap play that trapped yourself instead of your opponent... The check is just guidelines of a sense of weakness.. If you bet on the turn he may have called anyway but at least you have to make "him" pay to beat you with the better starting hand. Not have "pay" for you to beat him with the inferior starting hand.
 
Bill_Hollorian

Bill_Hollorian

Rock Star
When a pair of A's improve to a set, you become more vulnerable to straight draws...
I have a post about Aces somewhere. So you all know when your AA improves to a set...push!
Take a deck of cards deal any 2 cards with an ace, there is always a straight draw...always. No matter what flops with the ace, a straight is always 1 card away. When your Aces improve to trips push push push you are way more vulnerable than you think.

He was coming anyway Brianna, but Ace flop matrixes are always vulnerable.

Bill
 
IrishDave

IrishDave

A Member
Got pocket aces on the button last night in a limit ring game and I pushed a raise like I should. Had 3 callers and flop was a blank rainbow. Continued to press the action and it came down to 2 callers. Turn and river were same suit which put a flush draw on the board. In another thread I posted about folks playing any 2 suited cards - yes, both my callers had the flush. One fella had an 8-4, the other had a 10-5 - both hands I'd call a pre-flop raise with...
 
IrishDave

IrishDave

A Member
robwhufc said:
Post the hand history Dave!

Not sure the site supports it and I don't use PT or any other software. This was on the new site I've been checking out that offered us a freeroll. Mostly central and eastern europeans play there and for the most part they have no clue...
 
Dennis C

Dennis C

Guest
Thanks for the responses to my thread guys.:)

This hand was only one of a couple that crushed me last night. About an hour before I was about 10 spots from the money. I had $2000 chips and limp in on BB with 22. Flop comes A2J, I move all in against the only one in the hand who was in the SB. He calls with AQ. The turn is a K and the river is a 10. Runner runner bite my ass.:mad: :mad: So there I go in 206th with a 198 payout.

On to happier things. Here are the results of all my action last night. I didn't do great, but my later tourneys made up for the earlier debacles.
Buy in/ people/ result/ payout
2.20 / 1100 / 206 / 0
1.10 / 1184 / 602 / 0
3.30 / 1235 / 381 / 0
3.30 / 1800 / 26 / 14.58
2.20 / 1574 / 1121/ 0
5.50 / 1331 / 775 / 0
3.30 / 1250 / 70 / 7.12
2.20 / 882 / 159 / 2.82

So as you can see this was a lot of multi tasking. Maybe to much, but in the end I still made money and had fun. I spent $21.10 on buy ins and cashed $24.50 for the night. The first and third tourneys I finished with in 10 spots of the money. Not super poker by any means, but good enough that all I lost was time and I got plenty of that. Well the first tourney on stars is at 11 something EST. so I'm off to see what the day brings. Maybe I'll see one of you out there.:)
 
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