Duggs is getting sucked back into zoom

xdeucesx · Nov 26, 2017

Subbed in. I suck so no HH review.

How's life duggsy?

Figaroo2 · Nov 26, 2017

6♦ 7♦
Yeah trying to shift people off overpairs doesn't work well at zoom particularly once they have called a hefty turn bet and the board doesn't change much. The lack of info on opponents means players are calling down against general ranges for the pool plus what little they have on you.

Now we have showdown value and can beat 44 55 I'm not even sure I want to bluff the river here. If he has a small over pair 44-55-77-88 and puts you on a whiffed big Ax he might not bet the river anyway figuring you aren't calling with worse.

If I did decide to bluff it's player dependant and aimed at guys with a wtsd% of less than 28
And I'd bet my normal value size of around 75bb to make it look less bluffy and save myself 70ishbb if I get called.
I'm not sure what calls 75 that would fold to 150.

I have a fairly recent 28K hand sample for 10nl Zoom winning at a not very impressive 2.2bb/100 and 17k of hands at 5nl zoom winning at 8.5bb/100

You have to factor in some unusual holdings because the card match feature leads to people playing all sorts of wierd stuff in the wrong spots.

Figaroo2 · Nov 26, 2017

Hero has K♣ K♦
Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB
Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 2♥ T♥ 3♠
SB bets 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, SB calls 9 BB
Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) Q♣
SB checks, Hero bets 25 BB, SB raises to 109.4 BB, Hero

With us having 50bb invested and calling off our last 50bb to win 200bb I'm getting it in here. His flop lead looks like a draw trying to set a cheap price and his stats are starting to look loose and aggressive. He could have monster draws or be getting stupid with Qx

duggs · Nov 27, 2017

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Hand #1 K8hh: I am mostly in this spot thinking about what range we get to the river with, and I think we are probably way too high up in it to consider folding. But that being said we don't beat anything in the value range he's repping, so... There's that. If we want to exploitively fold strong hands I think I would prob still hold onto this one but I don't hate a fold exactly.

Hand #2 88 Overbet: Feels like we only rep 66 since we'd typically bet our pure air like 76s and 86s on the flop? But I could be off and don't know your range (or perceived range) here.

Hand #3 Bluff Shove Top Pair: So it's kind of tricky when we block QQ but also block KK and AK. I also have NO clue how often we get AA to fold (if ever) so that's a pretty big factor in this decision. I understand why you'd target that, but it feels like we are never getting villain to ONLY call with the 4 combos of sets he can have, so we are probably getting called by AA imo.

All in all I don't love it, but I have zero experience in the games you're playing so it's kind of hard to comment.

K8 yea basically looks like a great exploitative fold spot.

88 villain never has us beat so we can just overbet alot and get him to fold sometimes,

KQ in hindsight the J is actually really bad for us, in that he often has JJ and we never do. If it were a blank id like the shove a bit more. A naked Q would be better without the K but i dont know realistically how many Qx combos i have that arent this exact hand.

duggs · Nov 27, 2017

Figaroo2 said:
6♦ 7♦
Yeah trying to shift people off overpairs doesn't work well at zoom particularly once they have called a hefty turn bet and the board doesn't change much. The lack of info on opponents means players are calling down against general ranges for the pool plus what little they have on you.

Now we have showdown value and can beat 44 55 I'm not even sure I want to bluff the river here. If he has a small over pair 44-55-77-88 and puts you on a whiffed big Ax he might not bet the river anyway figuring you aren't calling with worse.

If I did decide to bluff it's player dependant and aimed at guys with a wtsd% of less than 28
And I'd bet my normal value size of around 75bb to make it look less bluffy and save myself 70ishbb if I get called.
I'm not sure what calls 75 that would fold to 150.

I have a fairly recent 28K hand sample for 10nl Zoom winning at a not very impressive 2.2bb/100 and 17k of hands at 5nl zoom winning at 8.5bb/100

You have to factor in some unusual holdings because the card match feature leads to people playing all sorts of wierd stuff in the wrong spots.

mmm probably bit ambitious,but QQ/TT/AJ/99/88 was what we are really trying to foldout

duggs · Nov 27, 2017

Figaroo2 said:
With us having 50bb invested and calling off our last 50bb to win 200bb I'm getting it in here. His flop lead looks like a draw trying to set a cheap price and his stats are starting to look loose and aggressive. He could have monster draws or be getting stupid with Qx

agreed cool

Figaroo2 · Nov 28, 2017

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duggs said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 181.9 BB (VPIP: 24.34, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 15.25, Hands: 153)
SB: 259.9 BB (VPIP: 31.71, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 41)
BB: 237.3 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 77)
UTG: 87.9 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
MP: 86.1 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (CO): 184.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♣ 8♣

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, UTG calls 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30.5 BB, 3 players) 5♣ 9♥ 2♣
BB checks, UTG bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, BB raises to 51 BB, UTG raises to 77.9 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67.9 BB, BB calls 26.9 BB

Turn: (264.2 BB, 3 players) J♦
BB bets 149.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 96.9 BB and is all-in

weird spot where im not sure the best line to take. plan was to call and fold all paired turns

Yeah it's quite a funny hand, you have so many outs you looked priced in the whole way, clearly so on the turn card.
Personally id probably fold on the flop simply on the basis that my outs aren't to the nuts and ive only got 13bb invested and both want to play for stacks. We could be up against a set and a better flush draw.
Give me the nut flush draw and i'm in for the ride.
Its a shame UTG bet the flop it caused you problems. So im interested to know what they were willing to get it in with here.

Figaroo2 · Nov 28, 2017

duggs said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BB: 100.7 BB (VPIP: 26.00, PFR: 21.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 104)
Hero (UTG): 237.3 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ K♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Flop: (22.5 BB, 2 players) 7♠ K♠ 8♥
BB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (48.5 BB, 2 players) 5♣
BB bets 26 BB, Hero calls 26 BB

River: (100.5 BB, 2 players) 6♦
BB bets 50.7 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 50.7 BB

What kind of sample size would we need to turn this into a fold pre?

Yeah 2.56 over 104 isn't definitive at all.
Id fold to 1% in 150
2% in 200
So 2.56 I want to see 250-300 hands I suppose.
Once he bets the turn its starting to look like the best we can do is chop. They dont usually fire the turn wiith worse unless aggro and of course his 3bet% suggests he isnt.

duggs · Nov 28, 2017

Figaroo2 said:
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Yeah it's quite a funny hand, you have so many outs you looked priced in the whole way, clearly so on the turn card.
Personally id probably fold on the flop simply on the basis that my outs aren't to the nuts and ive only got 13bb invested and both want to play for stacks. We could be up against a set and a better flush draw.
Give me the nut flush draw and i'm in for the ride.
Its a shame UTG bet the flop it caused you problems. So im interested to know what they were willing to get it in with here.

KK and 99 so in this exact hand both calls were profitable

duggs · Nov 28, 2017

Figaroo2 said:
Yeah 2.56 over 104 isn't definitive at all.
Id fold to 1% in 150
2% in 200
So 2.56 I want to see 250-300 hands I suppose.
Once he bets the turn its starting to look like the best we can do is chop. They dont usually fire the turn wiith worse unless aggro and of course his 3bet% suggests he isnt.

even given the positions?

Figaroo2 · Nov 30, 2017

duggs said:
even given the positions?

When 3bet rates are this small i'd suggest position is of less important. Because his range is strong he's going to 3bet no matter what position you are opening from.
It also depends on how active you happen to have been as to how light he 3bets.
I simply can't consider folding AK preflop off that 104 sample size, he could easily be a 4%-5% 3bettor who might not have had any cards in the right spots.
I had a similar hand the other day where I was min raised. I'll stick with what I posted above before folding pre.

So any update as to how you are getting on? Tables or otherwise!

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

Figaroo2 said:
When 3bet rates are this small i'd suggest position is of less important. Because his range is strong he's going to 3bet no matter what position you are opening from.
It also depends on how active you happen to have been as to how light he 3bets.
I simply can't consider folding AK preflop off that 104 sample size, he could easily be a 4%-5% 3bettor who might not have had any cards in the right spots.
I had a similar hand the other day where I was min raised. I'll stick with what I posted above before folding pre.

So any update as to how you are getting on? Tables or otherwise!

4 tabling zoom so im getting about 800 hands an hour in, so far have a sample of 36k where im up 7bi and about 10bi over EV although i dont feel this is exactly representative, (one outered a guy after the money went in but got one outered before the final bet went in etc etc)

Still 3betting faaaaar too much but I just keep finding opponents whom are folding like 70%+ probably opening a bit too wide and calling down a bit too lightly in some spots, aswell as bluffing into tight ranges a tad too often. plenty of room for improvement so not fussed just yet.

Will post a more complete update later

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

actually looks like something is wrong with my gold line, since I just checked a hand where i had a combo draw 3 way and it told me I had zero equity

Figaroo2 · Nov 30, 2017

#3 Not sure if this is smart or horribad, villain is a fairly decent reg. im 4betting QQ/KK/AA v him. xb is fairly standard as villain isnt calling with worse. J is kinda a shitty turn but villain will have AK/KK/AA/QQ/99+ plus some random floats id imagine. river seems like a cool spot to bluff trying to make AA/KK fold, the line is also consistent with how i would play QQ or JJ if i 4bet pre thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 128.6 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 16.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 157)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 36)
BB: 609.6 BB (VPIP: 22.81, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 62)
Hero (UTG): 309.9 BB
MP: 148.4 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ Q♠

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 14 BB, Hero raises to 36 BB, fold, BB calls 22 BB

Flop: (75.5 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 2♦ Q♣
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (75.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
BB bets 40 BB, Hero calls 40 BB

River: (155.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥
BB bets 89 BB, Hero raises to 233.9 BB and is all-in,

If you take me as a typical 10nl opponent I never have aces here. Preflop I just keep raising AA no matter how deep. Id probably also 5bet KK this deep as well depending on what I see in your stats. I would though be calling your 4 bet with QQ JJ TT 99 AK AQs. If I was in your shoes Id be worried about running into JJ here. But you are folding out all my holdings other than JJ QQ. I would fold KK to the shove. I agree you probably aren't good going to showdown and have to do something.

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

Figaroo2 said:
If you take me as a typical 10nl opponent I never have aces here. Preflop I just keep raising AA no matter how deep. Id probably also 5bet KK this deep as well depending on what I see in your stats. I would though be calling your 4 bet with QQ JJ TT 99 AK AQs. If I was in your shoes Id be worried about running into JJ here. But you are folding out all my holdings other than JJ QQ. I would fold KK to the shove. I agree you probably aren't good going to showdown and have to do something.

thats what i thought to begin with, but iv run into a fair few instances of people flatting it, particularly the better regs (selection bias of deeper stacks). In hindsight i think its much better if the J was infact a blank (read under 7) because it quarters his nutted range. Anyway in game i got snapped off by QQ

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 154.2 BB
SB: 119 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.65, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 116)
BB: 199.1 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 85)
UTG: 110 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.97, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 131)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.67, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 152)
CO: 349.4 BB (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 15.44, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 151)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:club:

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q:club: 6:diamond: 9:spade:
CO checks, Hero bets 11.9 BB, CO calls 11.9 BB

Turn: (43.3 BB, 2 players) T:spade:
CO checks, Hero checks

River: (43.3 BB, 2 players) A:club:
CO bets 12.4 BB, Hero raises to 54 BB,

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 111.9 BB
SB: 152.1 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 14.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
BB: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 26.29, PFR: 20.05, 3Bet Preflop: 8.05, Hands: 376)
UTG: 125.8 BB (VPIP: 13.44, PFR: 10.94, 3Bet Preflop: 4.70, Hands: 328)
MP: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
CO: 67.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:club: 6:heart:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, fold

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) 6:club: 8:club: A:spade:
SB bets 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, SB calls 7.6 BB

Turn: (25 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:
SB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (49 BB, 2 players) T:spade:
SB checks,

Alucard · Nov 30, 2017

WA/WB check back with JJ?? Your aggression must be pretty high up

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

spazzed out so punishment post

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 99.7 BB (VPIP: 38.64, PFR: 23.86, 3Bet Preflop: 13.89, Hands: 90)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.34, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.49, Hands: 371)
BB: 128.2 BB (VPIP: 20.90, PFR: 19.34, 3Bet Preflop: 13.19, Hands: 250)
Hero (UTG): 178.2 BB
MP: 153.3 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 6)
CO: 184.5 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 87)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:diamond: A:spade:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q:spade: J:club: 6:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets 9.3 BB, Hero calls 9.3 BB

Turn: (38.1 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets 14 BB, Hero raises to 41 BB, CO calls 27 BB

River: (120.1 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
Hero checks, CO checks

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (SB): 124.9 BB
BB: 102.3 BB (VPIP: 21.23, PFR: 16.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 219)
UTG: 105.2 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 142)
MP: 14.4 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 113.9 BB (VPIP: 16.97, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 5.62, Hands: 223)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:club: Q:spade:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 2:heart: Q:heart: 3:club:
Hero bets 11.5 BB, BTN raises to 33 BB, Hero calls 21.5 BB

Turn: (85 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN bets 34.7 BB, Hero raises to 69.4 BB, BTN calls 23.3 BB and is all-in

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

Alucard said:
WA/WB check back with JJ?? Your aggression must be pretty high up

No, WA/WB only refers to spots where we are way ahead or behind, this spot has lots of draws that can be a bit behind and on lots of turns we have ok equity against hands that are beating us

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 125.4 BB
SB: 121.6 BB (VPIP: 24.43, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 6.89, Hands: 1,130)
BB: 119.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 72.5 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.62, PFR: 23.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 147)
CO: 103 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 2.36, Hands: 375)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:spade:

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) J:heart: 9:club: 2:club:
CO checks, Hero bets 11 BB, CO calls 11 BB

Turn: (41.5 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
CO checks, Hero checks

River: (41.5 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
CO checks, Hero bets 23 BB,

sizing check

Beanfacekilla · Nov 30, 2017

duggs said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 125.4 BB
SB: 121.6 BB (VPIP: 24.43, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 6.89, Hands: 1,130)
BB: 119.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 72.5 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.62, PFR: 23.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 147)
CO: 103 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 2.36, Hands: 375)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) J♥ 9♣ 2♣
CO checks, Hero bets 11 BB, CO calls 11 BB

Turn: (41.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
CO checks, Hero checks

River: (41.5 BB, 2 players) 6♦
CO checks, Hero bets 23 BB,

sizing check

If we are targeting 9x or ace high, I think I go a bit smaller.

BTW I've been reading along I just don't have much to contribute just yet. Your HH challenge me bro

duggs · Nov 30, 2017

Beanfacekilla said:
If we are targeting 9x or ace high, I think I go a bit smaller.

BTW I've been reading along I just don't have much to contribute just yet. Your HH challenge me bro

more like 9T/TT/88/77/98. I think he doesnt have that many Ax and that they will basically fold to any bet or bluff earlier (Nut fd etc).

good to hear man post anyway, welcome all feedback!

Beanfacekilla · Nov 30, 2017

duggs said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 154.2 BB
SB: 119 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.65, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 116)
BB: 199.1 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 85)
UTG: 110 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.97, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 131)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.67, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 152)
CO: 349.4 BB (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 15.44, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 151)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♠ J♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q♣ 6♦ 9♠
CO checks, Hero bets 11.9 BB, CO calls 11.9 BB

Turn: (43.3 BB, 2 players) T♠
CO checks, Hero checks

River: (43.3 BB, 2 players) A♣
CO bets 12.4 BB, Hero raises to 54 BB,

Too address the WA/WB concept, I prob bet here too as well.

My primary reason is for protection/value from stupid gutters and other assorted SDs, and in turn it defines the guys hand as well better than had we checked.

The river raise sure is ballsy, but I think I kind of like it man..... due to the flop bet, and call, and then we check back turn, yeah V makes some mistakes here betting Qx cause he thinks he has the best hand. And how exactly is this guy gonna have Ax unless it's A-Q exactly?

I think river is going to be better for H perceived range (especially since we raise it like a sicko), and we certainly fold out better. If he clicks it back I puke and fold and he prob had 7-8.

Mostly though I am trying to learn here. You kind of humble me a little Duggsy. You are def high level thinker. I am small fry. I play against droolers man.

Duggs is getting sucked back into zoom

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