The dreaded graph...

[WVHillbilly]

Fine be awful. If you want to play short stack play tourneys imo.

 

[darkassassin89]

Party Poker - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB Hero: $2.65
BB: $4.78
UTG: $6.95
MP: $1.32
CO: $2.15
BTN: $3.03

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is SB and dealt
3 folds, BTN calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks

Flop: ($0.12) (3 players)
Hero bets $0.12, BB folds, BTN raises to $2.99 (All-in), Hero calls $2.49 (All-in)

Turn: ($5.72) (2 players)

River: ($5.72) (2 players)

Final Pot: $5.72

Showdown:
BTN mucks his hand
Outcome: BTN wins $0.38
BTN mucks his hand
Outcome: BTN wins $5.08

here is 1 inpaticular. I dont think I played it wrong, just lost.... Sucks but i moved on.

 

[WVHillbilly]

You don't have a full stack and completing in the SB there is terrible.

 

[darkassassin89]

Party Poker - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.50
BB: $2.16
UTG: $3.76
MP Hero: $5.18
CO: $4 (sitting out)
BTN: $5.12

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is MP and dealt
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN folds, SB calls $0.10, BB raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.66, SB folds, BB raises to $2.16 (All-in), Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.44) (3 players)

Turn: ($4.44) (3 players)

River: ($4.44) (3 players)

This 1 obviously nothing I can do as well.


Party Poker - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $4.41
BB: $3.54
UTG: $4
MP: $4 (sitting out)
CO: $6.61
BTN Hero: $6.63

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is BTN and dealt
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB folds, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26) (3 players)
BB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.32, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.90) (3 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $6.19 (All-in), BB calls $2.10 (All-in)

River: ($10.19) (3 players)

well still grinding it out Thats what a BR is for

 

[darkassassin89]

You don't have a full stack and completing in the SB there is terrible.

Yea Wrong hand. Saw that after you mentioned it XD opps

 

[WVHillbilly]

In general bet at least 4x preflop.

Also in the 1st hand you lost to a PoS 1/2 stack. Never complain about that. Laugh.

I guess in the 2nd hand you really wanted to see if he "had it" on the turn? Sometimes we must fold. Also make it 50 or 60 cents on the flop raise if you're just going to jam all turns like that. Won't be quite as bad that way.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Yea Wrong hand. Saw that after you mentioned it XD opps

Right hand, wrong hand, it's still a hand you played poorly.

 

[darkassassin89]

So betting bigger pre flop does not look sketchy? I mean i bet 12c almost always, unless i limp on some situations. I mean I get i build a bigger pot, but wont that ring some bells for some players? or over all players dont even see the bet changes.

 

[darkassassin89]

And in the 1st hand player shoved with A8d hitting the flush on the river, do you fold that? Or did I make a good call and just got unlucky.

 

[WVHillbilly]

So betting bigger pre flop does not look sketchy? I mean i bet 12c almost always, unless i limp on some situations. I mean I get i build a bigger pot, but wont that ring some bells for some players? or over all players dont even see the bet changes.

Always bet at least 4x. Micro players big mistake is that the call too often preflop so take maximum advantage of their mistake. As for raising more with big hands you can probably get by with that too at 4nl. No one is paying attention but that's not what I meant.

And in the 1st hand player shoved with A8d hitting the flush on the river, do you fold that? Or did I make a good call and just got unlucky.

What he actually had matters how? I didn't say you should fold after the folp on the KT hand. Just that you should have raised preflop (folding would have been better than just calling) and that you should have started the hand (every hand) with at least 100bb.

 

[darkassassin89]

Now here is 2 hands I played horribly And I was not getting my villain to fold. But I want to know what I should have truly done in them.


Party Poker - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $11.22
BB: $9.49
UTG: $4
MP: $12.17
CO Hero: $4
BTN: $3.79

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO and dealt
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.28, 3 folds, MP calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.62) (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.41, MP calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.44) (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.72, MP calls $0.72

River: ($2.88) (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.92, MP raises to $10.76 (All-in), Hero calls $0.67 (All-in)

This hand I thought he was trying to float me with something. But sadly he floped this hand. and I was the sucker being too agressive.


Party Poker - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB Hero: $4
BB: $4
UTG: $5.35
MP: $2.28
CO: $2.80
BTN: $10.15

Pre-flop: ($0.10) Hero is SB and dealt
2 folds, CO checks, BTN raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.36

Flop: ($1.08) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.72, BTN calls $0.72

Turn: ($2.52) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.68, BTN calls $1.68

River: ($5.88) (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.25 (All-in), Hero calls $1.10 (All-in)

and this 1 I was behind the entire time, being too agressive again. I am not sure were I should have let this hand go, this 1 was harder because I did not expect him to have me crushed or hit the flop.

 

[benevg]

first hand, fold preflop. (unless you have a good read that he folds to 3bets a lot, but i doubt that is the case.) and also, that 3bet is too small, unlike...

second hand - why are you 3betting this big? the fact that he calls should start ringing bells. even if you cannot get rid of the hand, playing it so aggro trying to get him to fold was not justified. in general - do not try to get people to fold on that level. bet when you have it, fold when you do not. and TT on a QQ9K7 board is not "having it".

 

[darkassassin89]

Yea.. i felt as much

 

[micromachine]

Now here is 2 hands I played horribly And I was not getting my villain to fold. But I want to know what I should have truly done in them.

How about not bluffing? Seriously, there is little need to bluff at 4NL/5NL.

3-bet bluffs, c-bet bluffs, bluffing a scary turn card, and bluffs when you have a good read (like your opponent is a calling station and will give up on the river and it's likely they have missed their draw for example) are all good in the right quantity, but pure bluffing your entire stack when the villain could easily have you crushed is really bad.

You will make enough profit just by waiting until you have good hands and value betting the shit out of your opponents.

 

[jbbb]

Reading all the COTW's on 2+2 and posting a lot of hands in HA forum as well as reading other people's HA is probably all you need to start beating 4NL. Other stuff you could do include reading books (SSNLH by Ed Miller) or watching videos (DeucesCracked is probably the best value). Also check this thread for free videos and COTW although it hasn't been updated since January. Actively (taking notes) read and watch all this content and you'll start winning.

 

[darkassassin89]

Wow.... hanother horrible session. Every hand I had i was behind, I got QQ 6 times, JJ 3 and ran into KK KK KK AK AK AA AA everytime. That was scary.... I have never ran into Better hands and lost that manytimes in 1 session.

I was buying in for 2$ at a time.... and I had 50$ down to 36$ now. That was quite horrible. I mean, I guess I played it bad since QQ does not hold up well 6 handed. And JJ is totally a horrible hand to see a flop with. Even when flops are 59T

So I dont know what I am sopose to do with QQ now....

Here is every hand.


Party Poker - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $11.27
BB: $4.20
UTG: $4
MP: $4
CO Hero: $2.06
BTN: $4

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO and dealt
UTG raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, Hero raises to $0.54, 3 folds, UTG raises to $0.96, MP folds, Hero calls $0.42

Flop: ($2.10) (2 players)
UTG bets $2.10, Hero calls $1.10 (All-in)

Turn: ($5.30) (2 players)

River: ($5.30) (2 players)

Party Poker - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem (2 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $6.88
BB Hero: $3.27

Pre-flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB and dealt
SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.80) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.40) (2 players)
Hero bets $2.07 (All-in), SB calls $2.07

River: ($6.54) (2 players)

 

[jbbb]

Do you have an innate fear of buying in full?

 

[jbbb]

Also on the flop in hand one what do you beat?

 

[darkassassin89]

Well, It was from a player who I had as agressive with AK pre... And as shoved into me with AK before, but instead he had KK.... lol So bad timing? Bad read? Bad Everything lol

 

[micromachine]

Aren't there any sites you can play on where you can play 2NL? Seems like you need to go back to the beginning and work on your game....especially if you have recently made the transition to 6max. AND you will be able to buy in with a full stack, which will help you in the long run.

BTW how can you play at Party form the U.S?

 

[jbbb]

Download pokerstove and see you're equity against his range for the first hand.
A bit conservative range but just to emphasise my point:

Board: 7c Ts Js
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	85.098%  	82.71% 	02.39% 	         16377 	      472.50   { TT+, AsKs }
Hand 1: 	14.902%  	12.52% 	02.39% 	          2478 	      472.50   { QcQd }

 

[WVHillbilly]

Don't help the short stacker.

 

[Cafeman]

Oh dear

 

[LuckyChippy]

Lol WV's had enough.

I personally don't know where to begin. Lots of mindset issues.

 

[darkassassin89]

Im not playing at party, and I was trying to transition from being a Toruney player to a cash player, and I am doing horrid. I lost my roll.... chasing like a moron...

I am going to go back to tourneys....

No more cash... if I do its just for fun and i know im going to lose.

Thanks everyone for putting up with me and my crying.