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fx20736
Legend
Silver Level
My BR as of this morning is $ 103 (51 BI). Once I get it to around $ 130-135 I will move up to 5nl. Since I am 12 tabling @ 2nl I am thinking of 6 tabling 5nl for awhile to make sure I'm doing ok and build up some hand histories, although I do have about 40k hands @ 5nl so there should be plenty of those regs still around.
Were you on early today? Could have sworn I saw your Id around 6am.
bgomez89
Resident Thugmaster
Silver Level
wow dude thats crazy. My head would explode if I had to play 2nl until I got to $500. I started at 2nl and am currently playing 25nl(yes i am rolled for it under the 20bi BRM rule, I started with $5 and have never deposited some i'm not constantly adding money) and I've only played maybe 130k hands in my online poker career.
IMO if you have at least 20BIs for 5nl and you're beating 2nl move up.
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fx20736
Legend
Silver Level
Dusty,
I feel honored that you have graced my OP with your presence. Your book is on my wishlist. (I'm just trying to fonush Q-tip's book first)
bgomez89
Resident Thugmaster
Silver Level
take note of the stakes that leatherass is playing. I agree that when playing higher limits you need much more than 20 buy-ins but at these stakes 20BIs is enough especially if youre beating the current limit that you're at
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
Dusty's recommendation of 100 BIs is for those playing poker for a living. Since no one plays 2nl for a living is really doesn't apply. One good thing you got going for you, All In Clubs, is that you're rolled to skip 5nl entirely.
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fx20736
Legend
Silver Level
bgomez89
Resident Thugmaster
Silver Level
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fx20736
Legend
Silver Level
I took the day off from Poker and really enjoyed the break. I got through a huge chunk of Poker Math that Matters. This morning I had no burning desire to play but sat down anyway. I lost 4 1/2 BI in about an hour, KK to a set of Queens, QQ to a set of 7's, Set of 5's to a set of Jacks, two pair to a straight and 2nd nut flush to a Full House. I misplayed one hand , UTG limped who had a VPIP around 30, I raised to 4 1/2 BB form LP with 99 and he called. Flop came down 876. He checked, I raised 2/3 pot, he called. He checked the turn which was a blank, I checked behind. River was a blank and he shoved. I see this move all the time and it is often A high or a busted straight or maybe he had A8. Anyway I called and he had QQ. Very strange line he took; limp/ call, check, shove.
So including yesterday's brief AM session I am down 8 BI in 24 hours but am still up 20 BI for the 1st 9 days of November, Right now I feel like I am a little stuck. I have 52 BI for 2nl but am a little gunshy and would really like a bigger cushion to move up. I think I have done pretty well at extracting the fat value from the bad 2nl players so now I really need to focus on getting the thin value. I think one of the things about selecting the loosest tables with the worst players is that variance is probably a little higher as their range is so wide that sometimes I push hard and run into the very top of their range. I'm thinkiing about doing a session or two by picking the nittiest tables and seeing if I can start putting opponents on a range of hands and figuring out my equity against. I think this is why I am not burning to play right now, I'd rather being playing with Pokerstove or calculating SPR's.
So including yesterday's brief AM session I am down 8 BI in 24 hours but am still up 20 BI for the 1st 9 days of November, Right now I feel like I am a little stuck. I have 52 BI for 2nl but am a little gunshy and would really like a bigger cushion to move up. I think I have done pretty well at extracting the fat value from the bad 2nl players so now I really need to focus on getting the thin value. I think one of the things about selecting the loosest tables with the worst players is that variance is probably a little higher as their range is so wide that sometimes I push hard and run into the very top of their range. I'm thinkiing about doing a session or two by picking the nittiest tables and seeing if I can start putting opponents on a range of hands and figuring out my equity against. I think this is why I am not burning to play right now, I'd rather being playing with Pokerstove or calculating SPR's.
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WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
Fat value alone will get you a lot further than 2nl. I had a 100/87 guy at my 100nl table last night.
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fx20736
Legend
Silver Level
yeah, I saw your reply to November Cash where you had AA vs 92 or something?
Help me through my decision making tree. I'm beating 2NL for about 5nl over 35k or so. I want to focus on making correct assumptions and the best decisions. If the play @ 2nl and 5nl are virtually the same and I am beating it for 5nl, wouldn't it make sense to keep working on my game until I feel that my confidence, hand reading and equity calcualtions are stronger? My fear is that since I have been pretty hot, I'd hate to move up and have the variance floor drop out and I lose half my hard earned BR in a short time.
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
Is that 5bbs or BBs? Either way move up. You're going to beat 5nl for about the same rate. The play is the same. Many of the players are the same. So you have what ~21 BIs for 5nl right? So take a shot and drop back down if you lose say 4 BIs. No harm done. You'll still have ~45 BIs for 2nl. That's the WORST that can happen. Now then you could move up win at your current rate, pay a lesser percentage to rake, and earn more actual $$ at the table and in RB. That's the upside.
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fx20736
Legend
Silver Level
I just looked; my winrate for 40,543 hands is 4.03 BB or 8.06bb/ 100 hands.
You convinced me. I think I'll take a shot at 5nl. I think I will start with 6 tables. If I drop 4 BI I would still have 40 BI for 2nl.
Do think I should target some tighter tables to try and sharpen my skills???
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billdogg
Visionary
Silver Level
Alright, I'm not too proud. I have done the same thing. I played about 45K hands at 5NL 6 max. For about 35K hands I was a break even player, then the last 10K hands just went south. Suckout after suckout took my BR from ~125 to 50. I know variance, but my problem I guess is that I don't get enough value for my good hands to make up for the times I get sucked out on. I grind out for a while showing a decent profit, then comes 1 hand to completely take everything away. So frustrating! These are the exact kinda hands that are just killing me for the last month. I know a raise on this flop could be a set, but my read was a fish that would get it in with Qx, so I had to go with it.
Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: $2.39
SB: $1.41
BB: $1.68
Hero (UTG): $3.16
CO: $1.68
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A♥ A♠
Hero raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold
Flop: ($0.23, 2 players) 8♠ 4♥ Q♣
Hero bets $0.18, CO raises to $0.77, Hero raises to $3.06 and is all-in, CO calls $0.81 and is all-in
Turn: ($3.39, 2 players) Q♦
River: ($3.39, 2 players) 3♣
Hero shows A♥ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (PreFlop 85%, Flop 80%, Turn 5%)
CO shows Q♥ 9♦ (Three of a Kind, Queens) (PreFlop 15%, Flop 20%, Turn 95%)
CO wins $3.17
I'm thinking I really need to take a break or something. I have read about everything I can find, and I think I apply it good. My one problem I have is that I know I play a little too passively. Something in the back of my head always tells me something like this is going to happen.
Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: $2.39
SB: $1.41
BB: $1.68
Hero (UTG): $3.16
CO: $1.68
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A♥ A♠
Hero raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold
Flop: ($0.23, 2 players) 8♠ 4♥ Q♣
Hero bets $0.18, CO raises to $0.77, Hero raises to $3.06 and is all-in, CO calls $0.81 and is all-in
Turn: ($3.39, 2 players) Q♦
River: ($3.39, 2 players) 3♣
Hero shows A♥ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (PreFlop 85%, Flop 80%, Turn 5%)
CO shows Q♥ 9♦ (Three of a Kind, Queens) (PreFlop 15%, Flop 20%, Turn 95%)
CO wins $3.17
I'm thinking I really need to take a break or something. I have read about everything I can find, and I think I apply it good. My one problem I have is that I know I play a little too passively. Something in the back of my head always tells me something like this is going to happen.
Pascal-lf
Legend
Silver Level
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fx20736
Legend
Silver Level
I recently passed the 100k hand mark at 2nl. I think I have earned some good poker lessons in the past 2 months; patience, emotional discipline, faith in EV, positional awareness, picking spots to c-bet, adjusting 3 betting ranges vs different opponents, playing Pocket Queens & Jacks, building pots with big hands, when to set mine and when not to,etc. I had a rough stretch recently but am within 6 buy-ins of my peak winnings at 2nl. My BR is at $ 101 which includes 5BI lost last month trying to move up to 5nl. Once my BR hits $ 135 again I'll take my next shot at 5nl.
