Anyone here a HU player?

[duggs]

Not to mention that we should always have an edge IP. And never being able to connect with flops that are low caps our range in a shit ton of flops

 

[bernotas22]

heads up hyper turbos, only way to go for that real action packed degen action

 

[RodneyC86]

heads up hyper turbos, only way to go for that real action packed degen action

Degen, &*$# I hate that! Heads-up is such an undignified way to play >

 

[vinylspiros]

would be cool if they had heads up cash games on stars for less than 50$. so that the rest of us who aren't that highly rolled could give it a shot.

Hyper turbos or even just turbos in HU are nothing like cash HU. I wonder if theres any site that has like 10NL HU? obviously cash and not sng here.


I wonder why they dont have 10NL heads up on stars, especially if they would be making tons of rake.

 

[JohnBoyWWFC]

Basically, it's an easy way for a fish to lose money since the edge can be much greater. Also the rake would make it tougher to beat. It's also the reason they have it at the bottom of the list, because they don't want a new player to come on deposit money and lose it super fast.

 

[Poker Orifice]

would be cool if they had heads up cash games on stars for less than 50$. so that the rest of us who aren't that highly rolled could give it a shot.



I wonder why they dont have 10NL heads up on stars, especially if they would be making tons of rake.

iPoker network cash HU starts at 4nl

 

[Poker Orifice]

Will Tipton's book is a thumbs up. Pretty solid stuff.

Read this post yesterday & then this morning I received an email from 'Kobo' with '5 recommended reads' for me. Will's book was one of them. Read the intro. & then saw a book review on PTP with a link to a section of the book you can take a look at. Looks good

 

[Aleksei]

Almost every HU player that is near the top of the game right now opens close to 100%, and some do open 100% of buttons. Obviously you don't have to open every button but if you're a good player you want to play as many hands IP as possible.

That's conventional wisdom; I just think it's wrong. It's not terribly wrong in that it isn't fundamentally unprofitable to open the button super wide (unless the rake is crushing you or your skill gap vs villain is too narrow), but I mean, the only reasons you wanna play a wider range ever are 1) to prevent yourself from becoming exploitable (not happening unless you open less than 1/3 of buttons), to give yourself more frequent chances to make a profit (irrelevant HU because if you don't see a flop neither is the other guy -- you fold, next hand is dealt instantly, so that at worst you're seeing like 10% less flops per hour when you open super tight than when you open wide), and to get more action for entertainment value (again, irrelevant, if you open super tight you're still seeing almost as many flops as if you open every button).

Like, just stop and think for a second. This isn't 6max. If you open-fold you're not gonna wait 3 minutes to get a playable hand, you're gonna get the next hand IMMEDIATELY.

Sorry man only opening 40% is just going to be ****ing terrible. You get to play the hand IP and you're really just going to open fold 60% of hands?

There's no reason not to. I mean, if you can get away with having max flopability and you're not really getting any extra wait time by doing so (nor can you become exploitable), you absolutely should because it gives you an even bigger edge as opposed to JUST having a position edge.

And seriously, I'm convinced the reason HU rake is supposedly unbeatable at the micros is that people see too many flops because they're "supposed" to, so even if they're good they end up in spots where their EV is just marginally positive. And every time your postflop EV is less than +5% (e.g. rake charged), it becomes negative because the rake is eating your winnings.

Again this is way too tight. So against someone minraising 100% (a pretty common strategy from good regs, and how I typically play actually) you're going to fold 66%? You're getting 3:1 on your money preflop, and although you do have to play the hand oop I refuse to believe that Q8o and 78s are folds against a literally random hand getting 3:1. The more standard strategy against 100% minr is something like 80% defend with something like 15-20% 3-bet. So basically your 3bet number but a shitton more flatting, and that's because you're getting good odds so you don't even have to do a ton of stuff postflop when you miss. Obviously you should play poker so if your opponent is opening 100% and cbetting 100% you shouldn't be folding every time you miss but the point is that folding that many hands preflop is going to be a pretty big leak.

Again, I have no real reason to defend wider OOP therefore I won't. And it can't be a leak because I'm not folding more than villain needs me to to autoprofit since he's laying himself 2:1 (again blinds have to be included). And an added card edge is ESPECIALLY important OOP because when you play OOP you're at an inherent disadvantage -- you're not really expected to realize more than 70% or so of your postflop equity most of the time, even if you're significantly better than Villain.

 

[Aleksei]

Aleksei, this is what I was talking about yesterday. Duggs and Hackme are far better than you and know far more than you about this stuff but you just come out with things that are so fundamentally wrong and it winds everyone up.

Honestly here I actually know what I'm talking about because my main source of poker knowledge is a 50NL HU reg -- so I know standard HU strategy, I know how it works and why it exists, and over time I think I've figured out the holes in it. Like I said standard HU strategy isn't WRONG, but honestly I was sold HU as being the most profitable poker format because you get to use skill more often to profit; yet people still consider the rake unbeatable unless it's capped low, which to me speaks of a reasoning flaw. And I think I found what it is.

But it doesn't matter. As I said, if everyone thinks this is stupid that's just all the better for me so I won't discuss it any longer.

 

[duggs]

dude, hackme is like a 2knl HU reg.....

Acky is easily good enough to be playing much higher than 50nl HU.

and all the regs here start tables so play art least a moderate amount of HU

 

[Aleksei]

dude, hackme is like a 2knl HU reg.....

Yeah it means that 1) he's probably awesome at playing postflop to play that high and 2) he's not getting raked worth shit, so he has like zero problem opening every button and probably hasn't even thought playing tighter would have any value.

I on the other hand am not quite that good, and the rake at the levels I play is crushing. So, playing a range that flops non-garbage most of the time makes it easier for me to play postflop. And there's no way opening a range that's tight but isn't tight enough to exploit is a leak.

 

[duggs]

whatever i give up, you know better than every high stakes cash HU specialist.

 

[Aleksei]

whatever i give up, you know better than every high stakes cash HU specialist.

No I don't. I'd never dare try and play this guy, he'll probably crush me postflop. That's the point.

 

[sryImPro]

i play hyper turbo HU at poker stars too but i cannot say that i'm proud of my HU stats ...every1 knows that there is like zero skills in HU hyper at stars and i don't have a idea why i play those :/...i haven't try HU cash tho..Anyway if someone here has a really good HU graph please share here, i would really like to see how it looks like to be successful in HU

 

[vinylspiros]

i play hyper turbo HU at Poker Stars too but i cannot say that i'm proud of my HU stats ...every1 knows that there is like zero skills in HU hyper at stars and i don't have a idea why i play those :/...i haven't try HU cash tho..Anyway if someone here has a really good HU graph please share here, i would really like to see how it looks like to be successful in HU

yea thats pretty true. i would like to see the kind of variance a heads up player has to go through and how their graphs look compared to the 6 max grinder.

 

[JohnBoyWWFC]

No there's definitely skill in HU hyper turbos, not sure where you got that idea from.

 

[jcdagenius]

i open the button almost 100 percent and call from bb 65 to 75 percent......hu is pure poker and you will need it to be good at winning final tables.......

 

[JohnBoyWWFC]

Like, just stop and think for a second. This isn't 6max. If you open-fold you're not gonna wait 3 minutes to get a playable hand, you're gonna get the next hand IMMEDIATELY.

Oh, my mistake. I thought we had to wait to play another hand. Yah, you're right then.

 

[Cafeman]

lolskei

I don't mind folding preflop while playing 6max, cos I have been working on my tilt issues in that regard, and now don't continuously bang my head on the table until I get dealt again.

 

[bezobrazny]

Everyone shoud be familiar with HU and try to improve that part of game or else they won't win any tournament at all.

 

[vinylspiros]

lolskei

I don't mind folding preflop while playing 6max, cos I have been working on my tilt issues in that regard, and now don't continuously bang my head on the table until I get dealt again.

LMFAOOOLMFAOLMFAOLMFAO

sometimes when ive been dealt a hand that isnt good, i just start punching the walls and the closets, and then i curl up into a ball and cry for hours silently.

 

[sryImPro]

No there's definitely skill in HU hyper turbos, not sure where you got that idea from.

skill? like raise everytime?

 

[roseoflife]

I am also a HU player!I play almost all hand in HU .I have noticed that when i won a match and replay with the same player its harder than the first game. =s

 

[madethegrade]

if oyu have enough cash to burn. 50nl heads up is the best way to dive into the learning experience!

 

[vinylspiros]

skill? like raise everytime?

hehhehe. adjusting ur game to villains game. being observant. trapping. these are all skillz. tightening up when necessary and picking spots. switching gears.